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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 6:55:50 GMT
interesting
cross-thread non-kill actions are more likely than cross-thread kills imo but that does lead me further into the dubz/derz side of my poe
probably sleeping now
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:14:28 GMT
So what I want to know from spiderz is 1) basically the exact mechanical content of your rolepm (paraphrased ofc). All the details about your role, what exactly it can do, and who it can target 2) what you meant by "Didn't want to die lmao" add to this why spiderz claimed the role on d2 when he did
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:32:48 GMT
It would be un-smart due to how the role functions and the fact that I already claimed N3 target (AZ). N1 and N2 targetted quojova. I'm very confused what this means. Can we expect a claim at any point in the game or are you planning to keep it secret forever? Delayed Doctor is how it is described, but I think a more accurate description would be Night (x+1) Bulletproof Vest Vendor, where x=current night and targets are not informed. I also had a one-shot CPR doc that I was planning to never claim unless I used it, but it looks like Lucas was not able to undo my temporal distortion so I am not getting it back. I am not sure how my N1 action and your N2 passive proc would resolve, but either my N1 was tampered with, your passive has higher priority, or you are triple fake-claiming as scum (highly unlikely). I did not want to claim yesterday because I still had the potential to protect AZ from a kill. At the time I targetted them I thought they were going to be lynched, and I wasn't sure who to protect, so in my mind it was simply slightly better than idling.
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:33:06 GMT
wait so
did a member of the town target az across threads and give him his pulling ability?
or are we to believe that scum decided to target a bottom-read player who claimed to have no usable ability across threads and give them their ability the next day?
is it perhaps more reasonable to think that az is scum who wants to try to clear themselves with a pulling ability here?
this will probably make more sense to me after I wake up
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:35:20 GMT
I'm very confused what this means. Can we expect a claim at any point in the game or are you planning to keep it secret forever? Delayed Doctor is how it is described, but I think a more accurate description would be Night (x+1) Bulletproof Vest Vendor, where x=current night and targets are not informed. I also had a one-shot CPR doc that I was planning to never claim unless I used it, but it looks like Lucas was not able to undo my temporal distortion so I am not getting it back. I am not sure how my N1 action and your N2 passive proc would resolve, but either my N1 was tampered with, your passive has higher priority, or you are triple fake-claiming as scum (highly unlikely). I did not want to claim yesterday because I still had the potential to protect AZ from a kill. At the time I targetted them I thought they were going to be lynched, and I wasn't sure who to protect, so in my mind it was simply slightly better than idling. what night did you protect az?
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:37:30 GMT
In advance of a full look into bgb I'll mention that I think the jailkeeper claim is by far the least inspired roles claimed so far. It's certainly not impossible (I mean we have masons in the game) but of all the roles here it does seem one of the most likely to be fabricated. I'm not going to push based on rolemeta alone today (and I don't even really want to make it a large basis of the case at all unless I think it's very compelling) but it will be something I am considering. I am not entirely sold on the neighbor roles being masons. Page 18 Past thread, dubz is present with <1 hour left before deadline, but does nothing to attempt to save genny. I don't feel that this in itself is an indicator for scum!dubz, but their actions would not make sense if both genny and dubz as neighbours had mutual townreads.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:39:56 GMT
Delayed Doctor is how it is described, but I think a more accurate description would be Night (x+1) Bulletproof Vest Vendor, where x=current night and targets are not informed. I also had a one-shot CPR doc that I was planning to never claim unless I used it, but it looks like Lucas was not able to undo my temporal distortion so I am not getting it back. I am not sure how my N1 action and your N2 passive proc would resolve, but either my N1 was tampered with, your passive has higher priority, or you are triple fake-claiming as scum (highly unlikely). I did not want to claim yesterday because I still had the potential to protect AZ from a kill. At the time I targetted them I thought they were going to be lynched, and I wasn't sure who to protect, so in my mind it was simply slightly better than idling. what night did you protect az? 3 wait so did a member of the town target az across threads and give him his pulling ability? or are we to believe that scum decided to target a bottom-read player who claimed to have no usable ability across threads and give them their ability the next day? is it perhaps more reasonable to think that az is scum who wants to try to clear themselves with a pulling ability here? this will probably make more sense to me after I wake up AZ could have been the nightkill target
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:41:26 GMT
In advance of a full look into bgb I'll mention that I think the jailkeeper claim is by far the least inspired roles claimed so far. It's certainly not impossible (I mean we have masons in the game) but of all the roles here it does seem one of the most likely to be fabricated. I'm not going to push based on rolemeta alone today (and I don't even really want to make it a large basis of the case at all unless I think it's very compelling) but it will be something I am considering. I am not entirely sold on the neighbor roles being masons. Page 18 Past thread, dubz is present with <1 hour left before deadline, but does nothing to attempt to save genny. I don't feel that this in itself is an indicator for scum!dubz, but their actions would not make sense if both genny and dubz as neighbours had mutual townreads. when I say masons I don't mean to imply that the players are guaranteed to be town, like how there are mafia mason roles etc. in various idea themes dubz along with derz and litt is solidly in my hangpool for today although litt is mostly in there because I haven't done my own in-depth analysis on him yet and Lucas has a case on him somewhere I can't find
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:42:24 GMT
wait so did a member of the town target az across threads and give him his pulling ability? or are we to believe that scum decided to target a bottom-read player who claimed to have no usable ability across threads and give them their ability the next day? is it perhaps more reasonable to think that az is scum who wants to try to clear themselves with a pulling ability here? this will probably make more sense to me after I wake up AZ could have been the nightkill target [/quote] (x) doubt
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:42:30 GMT
wait so did a member of the town target az across threads and give him his pulling ability? or are we to believe that scum decided to target a bottom-read player who claimed to have no usable ability across threads and give them their ability the next day? is it perhaps more reasonable to think that az is scum who wants to try to clear themselves with a pulling ability here? this will probably make more sense to me after I wake up AZ could have been the nightkill target Actually I am not sure, but if AZ is scum it would be optimal for them NOT to pull someone and go into a 1v1 lynch and just secure plurality by lynching first, right?
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:42:46 GMT
wait so did a member of the town target az across threads and give him his pulling ability? or are we to believe that scum decided to target a bottom-read player who claimed to have no usable ability across threads and give them their ability the next day? is it perhaps more reasonable to think that az is scum who wants to try to clear themselves with a pulling ability here? this will probably make more sense to me after I wake up AZ could have been the nightkill target (x) doubt[/quote] goshdarn quotes
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:44:21 GMT
wait so did a member of the town target az across threads and give him his pulling ability? or are we to believe that scum decided to target a bottom-read player who claimed to have no usable ability across threads and give them their ability the next day? is it perhaps more reasonable to think that az is scum who wants to try to clear themselves with a pulling ability here? this will probably make more sense to me after I wake up AZ could have been the nightkill target (x) doubt[/quote]If scum has cross-thread kills, the reward stage with just town!choas in the Future would have been nullified because selfvotes are not allowed.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:44:51 GMT
Oops eye did knot fix the quotes
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:46:21 GMT
I am not entirely sold on the neighbor roles being masons. Page 18 Past thread, dubz is present with <1 hour left before deadline, but does nothing to attempt to save genny. I don't feel that this in itself is an indicator for scum!dubz, but their actions would not make sense if both genny and dubz as neighbours had mutual townreads. when I say masons I don't mean to imply that the players are guaranteed to be town, like how there are mafia mason roles etc. in various idea themes dubz along with derz and litt is solidly in my hangpool for today although litt is mostly in there because I haven't done my own in-depth analysis on him yet and Lucas has a case on him somewhere I can't find Ah I see. Usually when I think of Mason, it is guaranteed as not Mafia; Monk would be guaranteed not Werewolf etc.
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:46:37 GMT
AZ could have been the nightkill target Actually I am not sure, but if AZ is scum it would be optimal for them NOT to pull someone and go into a 1v1 lynch and just secure plurality by lynching first, right? lol, is that how a 1v1 situation works? sounds pretty against the spirit of mafia tbh but anyway I think if az is scum his approach for now is to appeal to his appearance of pro-towniness with the pull because him being lockscum is not a foregone conclusion
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:49:27 GMT
Actually I am not sure, but if AZ is scum it would be optimal for them NOT to pull someone and go into a 1v1 lynch and just secure plurality by lynching first, right? lol, is that how a 1v1 situation works? sounds pretty against the spirit of mafia tbh but anyway I think if az is scum his approach for now is to appeal to his appearance of pro-towniness with the pull because him being lockscum is not a foregone conclusion To be fair, I have never played a game where the game would still be continued with only 2 players alive.
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:50:32 GMT
were you swayed at all by my rambling on bgb btw
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:52:38 GMT
were you swayed at all by my rambling on bgb btw I am inclined to believe bgb when he says he doesn't use gambits or other trickery.
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 7:53:55 GMT
were you swayed at all by my rambling on bgb btw I am inclined to believe bgb when he says he doesn't use gambits or other trickery. and your read on his alignment compared to yesterday?
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:55:46 GMT
I am inclined to believe bgb when he says he doesn't use gambits or other trickery. and your read on his alignment compared to yesterday? townier
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 7:59:57 GMT
Lucas + Chaos AZ Scorr (and from your pov's me) so it's very likely that one of these four categories (three from my pov) is scum from the two attacks made in the past in n2/n3 The only person I can see out of this specific pool who would have any possible motivation to nightkill OM would be you, due to his out of place questions about the Diamond, and an accusation of theft. I was pretty much hard tunneling OM so if scum wanted him dead, they would have lynched with me, but I think OM was nightkilled probably because scum were afraid of his role. Of course this doesn't take into consideration cross-thread kills, so I don't particularly want to lynch inside this pool.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 8:05:17 GMT
This is part of my role, I get to know this on N3 1. How long does your trap last? 2. N1: Lit, N2: Idle, N3: what? 3. What do you think the purpose of your role is? 4. Why... 3 i idle too, my role was that i could make it so people couldnt travel to a diff timeline, and then it said i would be told how many non town players r left across both timelines if all secret conditions were met explain spiderzspiderzspiderzspiderzspiderzspiderz
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Feb 14, 2021 8:21:05 GMT
AZ could have been the nightkill target Actually I am not sure, but if AZ is scum it would be optimal for them NOT to pull someone and go into a 1v1 lynch and just secure plurality by lynching first, right? Wait I think I have solved the game. town!Litt could have targetted town!AZ (as a possibility, not saying that they did and lied about it) with the rewarded roleblock, which would have granted AZ access to their pull ability. Scum!chaos was afraid of a vote to kill stage with a decently high probability that they could be lynched, and that AZ could pull a town member and essentially gain control of the Future thread. An AZ kill is also a smart play from chaos because it would also address the theory of scum's access to same or cross thread kills, because an AZ death where scum only has access to same thread kills would confirm chaos as scum. This gives him the wifom and benefit of the doubt while also being temporarily unlynchable until town manages to move him or themselves across threads.
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 8:37:44 GMT
Actually I am not sure, but if AZ is scum it would be optimal for them NOT to pull someone and go into a 1v1 lynch and just secure plurality by lynching first, right? Wait I think I have solved the game. town!Litt could have targetted town!AZ (as a possibility, not saying that they did and lied about it) with the rewarded roleblock, which would have granted AZ access to their pull ability. Scum!chaos was afraid of a vote to kill stage with a decently high probability that they could be lynched, and that AZ could pull a town member and essentially gain control of the Future thread. An AZ kill is also a smart play from chaos because it would also address the theory of scum's access to same or cross thread kills, because an AZ death where scum only has access to same thread kills would confirm chaos as scum. This gives him the wifom and benefit of the doubt while also being temporarily unlynchable until town manages to move him or themselves across threads. I actually plan to sleep after this but it doesn't seem like litt targeting az here is a necessary part of this theory that being said I'm assuming this is mostly just a meme?
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Post by quojova on Feb 14, 2021 8:41:53 GMT
Wait I think I have solved the game. town!Litt could have targetted town!AZ (as a possibility, not saying that they did and lied about it) with the rewarded roleblock, which would have granted AZ access to their pull ability. Scum!chaos was afraid of a vote to kill stage with a decently high probability that they could be lynched, and that AZ could pull a town member and essentially gain control of the Future thread. An AZ kill is also a smart play from chaos because it would also address the theory of scum's access to same or cross thread kills, because an AZ death where scum only has access to same thread kills would confirm chaos as scum. This gives him the wifom and benefit of the doubt while also being temporarily unlynchable until town manages to move him or themselves across threads. I actually plan to sleep after this but it doesn't seem like litt targeting az here is a necessary part of this theory that being said I'm assuming this is mostly just a meme? nvm it looks like you were saying that chaos was considering the possibility of az being rbed by litt
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