Ex-Staff Semi Invitational Popcorn (GG TOWN)

[ihbst]

this is hard

[ihbst]

myan my friend

[ihbst]

May 30, 2023 7:01:41 GMT iavh said:

I would like to see snaq shoot in volo slightly more than ihbst have gun in volo

how did you know i was town.

[MyanMario]

May 30, 2023 6:14:32 GMT iavh said:

May 30, 2023 2:34:30 GMT MyanMario said:

I'm back for a bit, don't really see any progression at all besides sand deciding to sr snaq more than me, which would be awesome for them to explain
I think it's fair not to shoot clems until they give their shotpool but it's insane how they are still alive while blatantly openwolfing (could be using the term wrong?)

wat shotpool
this is literally 4p

context..
this was said before i was shot

[MyanMario]

I think there's really nothing to do until snaq is more active because both sand and clems are giving me a headache ^.^

[MyanMario]

I'm still 90% on it being Clems but I'm considering a Snaq shot because town Clems 100% fails in volo

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

May 30, 2023 13:25:05 GMT MyanMario said:

I think there's really nothing to do until snaq is more active because both sand and clems are giving me a headache ^.^

Just finished my workday, anything specific you wanted to discuss?

And yes, I do agree :X

[ihbst]

why not shoot me

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

May 30, 2023 13:25:32 GMT MyanMario said:

I'm still 90% on it being Clems but I'm considering a Snaq shot because town Clems 100% fails in volo

So why do you think it's clems? If Crespo and wob really did that superbus it'll hurt my head

That said I do find it a little too convenient that clemens wanted me to get the gun, when he knew I'd probably shoot ihbst in volo

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Will try to read up on clemens though and look at his gameplay some more instead of how wob and toni played around him

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Btw Myan, do you plan on shooting evening EST or earlier? If you gotta leave early I'll try to do everything earlier on, otherwise I like spreading my activity throughout the evening a little

[ihbst]

i'll read up too during the evening est

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

FWIW I'm in the central European timezone (6 hours ahead of EST). Hence if the shot is evening EST I'll be asleep by then

[iavh]

^
I will sleep
don't make me sleep I don't want to...

[MyanMario]

May 30, 2023 15:19:33 GMT Snaq ◢ ◤ said:

Btw Myan, do you plan on shooting evening EST or earlier? If you gotta leave early I'll try to do everything earlier on, otherwise I like spreading my activity throughout the evening a little

I'm extremely busy right now/today which sucks, I should be around in ~3 hours? Then I'll be back to discuss before shot in around 6-7ish

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

May 30, 2023 16:47:23 GMT MyanMario said:

May 30, 2023 15:19:33 GMT Snaq ◢ ◤ said:

Btw Myan, do you plan on shooting evening EST or earlier? If you gotta leave early I'll try to do everything earlier on, otherwise I like spreading my activity throughout the evening a little

I'm extremely busy right now/today which sucks, I should be around in ~3 hours? Then I'll be back to discuss before shot in around 6-7ish

I'll be around in like 3 hours, and head to bed in around 6 hours. Should hopefully be enough

I just tried to massquote a bunch of interesting posts by both players, but I got an error when I pressed the button . I'll try again in a bit

[MyanMario]

Can everyone say their shot in volo?

[iavh]

in volo: probs ihbst

[ihbst]

maybe later

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

May 26, 2023 8:35:18 GMT Wob said:

May 26, 2023 6:05:38 GMT Prodigu said:

If we wanted to consider bussing we need to look at the benefits and risks of doing it, imo it was a relatively low risk play (many people already were questioning that slot) but it also had low benefits at least in terms of Toni "looking better as town" 

i do think its possible that the interactions between toni and clems were just bussing, as you pointed out there wouldn't have been much risk for toni as clems was already the biggest target that day anyways. the reason ive said i think the the clems wagon was scum motivated was because of just how quickly it gained traction, i wouldnt be surprised if 2+ scum saw it as an easy target and jumped on. 

at the same time i wouldnt say i necessarily townread clems - its true that their iso doesnt have a lot of substance and theyve been the most absent out of anyone. but at the same time if you read through their posts it looks a lot more like they just dont know what to say a lot of the time as opposed to actively lurking to avoid attention from town (i mean its really had the opposite effect). 

MyanMario This post intrigues me still (and surrounding posts by wob). I could see a wob/clems scumteam have wob imply that it's possible clems bussed in case of a clems shot but never truly push it, while pushing the people on clems instead. It doesn't necessarily make sense to push the people pushing clemens just to explain why they voted clemens (as you can just ask and if they respond badly the push is pretty automatic).

At the same time, it's also a known tactic for scum to hide partners in a "group" you're sussing so you don't put too much focus on them but have mentioned them.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

I'm not 100% on who I'd shoot ngl. Yesterday I'd have said ihbst, but in volo I'd also spend a long time reading what both of them had done. I'll try to do a lot of that today though and give my presumed shot then

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

I think a lot of clemens' posts fail to say much (ex1, ex2, ex3, ex4, ex5 - most recent 5).

I do think it's dangerous for clemens to push me as town. Could be an attempt to pocket, as I've never gone that hard against him, but also do think I've called him out occasionally. Then again, ihbst has always provided clear reads, even if he hasn't done too much otherwise. For example, ihbst has recently stated that clemens is mega town (why btw, esp if you dont want to say youd shoot me just now)?

I have mentioned before clemens sounded sincere to me. Maybe this is due to the way he bantered feeling very normal, like clemens always would (ex1, ex2), even when it's dumb stuff that could cast the spotlight on him negatively. The last post feels quite vulnerable too. He also always seemed to take my questions seriously, though I think scum!clemens should've done this as well. If clemens is scum, he might be shitposting to keep him engaged without having to say much or to provide many reads. MyanMario do you think clemens is this kind of player? Also this post definitely seems sincere 

Content wise (ex): I think this is a fair post, many reads do make sense. However, lots are surface level (i.e. wob, makes an observation but doesn't explain why wob would want to do this or what it implies). Especially Schia is weak. I find ihbst read funny for comparing to himself though.

Not so sure on coretown anymore. In general I'm regretting that we ended up in this situation where both ihbst and clemens don't give us too much information. I think for scum!clemens it'd be optimal right now if I got shot to shoot ihbst, as that seemed savest for him initially (and was also what he suggested). Though later ihbst did also say he'd probably shoot me so it'd be a pretty good situation for clemens to disengage a little and just ensure he'd not be shot today. Thing is, I can see town clemens definitely trolling a bit as well, as well as talking to me and engaging with me. 

As for the interactions with Toni and wob. I still find it odd for Toni to push scum!clemens that hard. Wob saying clemens could have been bussed but casting doubt mainly on the people on clemens does seem like a viable partner

Feels like I keep comparing the same things though, just doubting myself more every time I read them.

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

Would like to discuss though, I like that much more than staring at posts on my own

[iavh]

of course that post was sincere
in what case do I not talk about shooting alex when I have the opportunity to

[Snaq ◢ ◤]

May 30, 2023 18:47:48 GMT iavh said:

of course that post was sincere
in what case do I not talk about shooting alex when I have the opportunity to

You talking about shooting alex is probs NAI but it feels town to my heart