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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 19:21:53 GMT
I'm still 90% on it being Clems but I'm considering a Snaq shot because town Clems 100% fails in volo :/ I didn't fail in that modexe game |
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Post by MyanMario on May 30, 2023 19:30:31 GMT
It's rough because in every situation, whoever gets the gun is put in a tough position. I was debating just letting time run out to see who mafia guns tbh but I'm right now planning on shooting clems. If they could PLEASE talk about the game it would possibly get me to shift my shot
between clems and sand, considering their playstyle this game is very similar, sand is inherently better. After the toni and wob shot town can deserve a win here, and pulling a page from moto's book I don't like a scumgame like clems if they flip to win, especially considering I wanted them hit since d2 (?)
at least moto's happy I'm not getting to volo
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Post by MyanMario on May 30, 2023 19:32:09 GMT
again I'm incredibly busy today which sucks, idk if flush would consider an extension (?) but I'll check in later hopefully
Snaq shouldn't be the only one talking, if they're town it means one of sand/clems is
If everyone can be similar to protein and give a scumcase on their tr, towncase on their sr, that would be great here.
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 19:43:23 GMT
ill give the scumcases / towncases again, but if ihbst / clemens aren't gonna provide more context, it really is starting to become repetitive for me I do agree ihbst has had a better playstyle this game (slightly) MyanMario. But two things: 1) how do you view the interactions between them and the flipped scum. And 2) if you'd like to respond to my posts that'd be great, id love to hear your perspective (esp if clemens/ihbst are not gonna speak up more) For both iavh ihbst, I have shown wob's post a few times where he expresses his view on the clemens wagon day 1 w/ toni, where he wanted to push ihbst or myan for being on clemens. How do you interpret this post. Do you think the other is scummy or towny for it? |
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 20:01:50 GMT
again I'm incredibly busy today which sucks, idk if flush would consider an extension (?) but I'll check in later hopefully Snaq shouldn't be the only one talking, if they're town it means one of sand/clems is If everyone can be similar to protein and give a scumcase on their tr, towncase on their sr, that would be great here. towncase on ihbst: I feel like despite being a chaotic slot like me, ihbst has had some towny moments how to multiquote on kindle help scumcase on snaq: seems pockety on me for a bit, says something I put to troll as "genuine" this slot could be deepwolfing judging on how much snaq gives us in content |
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 20:03:06 GMT
elo tryhard unlocked
used successfully!
tryhard mode: ON
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:06:54 GMT
again I'm incredibly busy today which sucks, idk if flush would consider an extension (?) but I'll check in later hopefully Snaq shouldn't be the only one talking, if they're town it means one of sand/clems is If everyone can be similar to protein and give a scumcase on their tr, towncase on their sr, that would be great here. towncase on ihbst: I feel like despite being a chaotic slot like me, ihbst has had some towny moments how to multiquote on kindle help scumcase on snaq: seems pockety on me for a bit, says something I put to troll as "genuine" this slot could be deepwolfing judging on how much snaq gives us in content Are you saying you wouldn't troll as town  |
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Post by ihbst on May 30, 2023 20:11:24 GMT
I think a lot of clemens' posts fail to say much ( ex1, ex2, ex3, ex4, ex5 - most recent 5). I do think it's dangerous for clemens to push me as town. Could be an attempt to pocket, as I've never gone that hard against him, but also do think I've called him out occasionally. Then again, ihbst has always provided clear reads, even if he hasn't done too much otherwise. For example, ihbst has recently stated that clemens is mega town (why btw, esp if you dont want to say youd shoot me just now)? I have mentioned before clemens sounded sincere to me. Maybe this is due to the way he bantered feeling very normal, like clemens always would ( ex1, ex2), even when it's dumb stuff that could cast the spotlight on him negatively. The last post feels quite vulnerable too. He also always seemed to take my questions seriously, though I think scum!clemens should've done this as well. If clemens is scum, he might be shitposting to keep him engaged without having to say much or to provide many reads. MyanMario do you think clemens is this kind of player? Also this post definitely seems sincere Content wise ( ex): I think this is a fair post, many reads do make sense. However, lots are surface level (i.e. wob, makes an observation but doesn't explain why wob would want to do this or what it implies). Especially Schia is weak. I find ihbst read funny for comparing to himself though. Not so sure on coretown anymore. In general I'm regretting that we ended up in this situation where both ihbst and clemens don't give us too much information. I think for scum!clemens it'd be optimal right now if I got shot to shoot ihbst, as that seemed savest for him initially (and was also what he suggested). Though later ihbst did also say he'd probably shoot me so it'd be a pretty good situation for clemens to disengage a little and just ensure he'd not be shot today. Thing is, I can see town clemens definitely trolling a bit as well, as well as talking to me and engaging with me. As for the interactions with Toni and wob. I still find it odd for Toni to push scum!clemens that hard. Wob saying clemens could have been bussed but casting doubt mainly on the people on clemens does seem like a viable partner Feels like I keep comparing the same things though, just doubting myself more every time I read them. relate to this as I'm starting to doubt my Clemens reads |
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 20:12:02 GMT
towncase on ihbst: I feel like despite being a chaotic slot like me, ihbst has had some towny moments how to multiquote on kindle help scumcase on snaq: seems pockety on me for a bit, says something I put to troll as "genuine" this slot could be deepwolfing judging on how much snaq gives us in content Are you saying you wouldn't troll as town O_o wat I never said that? like literally ask any staff that play with me during fish, and you will get an answer that I troll as town |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:13:11 GMT
Are you saying you wouldn't troll as town wat I never said that? like literally ask any staff that play with me during fish, and you will get an answer that I troll as town Nah that's what I'm saying, that's why it reads genuine to me |
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 20:18:27 GMT
I think a lot of clemens' posts fail to say much ( ex1, ex2, ex3, ex4, ex5 - most recent 5). I do think it's dangerous for clemens to push me as town. Could be an attempt to pocket, as I've never gone that hard against him, but also do think I've called him out occasionally. Then again, ihbst has always provided clear reads, even if he hasn't done too much otherwise. For example, ihbst has recently stated that clemens is mega town (why btw, esp if you dont want to say youd shoot me just now)? I have mentioned before clemens sounded sincere to me. Maybe this is due to the way he bantered feeling very normal, like clemens always would ( ex1, ex2), even when it's dumb stuff that could cast the spotlight on him negatively. The last post feels quite vulnerable too. He also always seemed to take my questions seriously, though I think scum!clemens should've done this as well. If clemens is scum, he might be shitposting to keep him engaged without having to say much or to provide many reads. MyanMario do you think clemens is this kind of player? Also this post definitely seems sincere Content wise ( ex): I think this is a fair post, many reads do make sense. However, lots are surface level (i.e. wob, makes an observation but doesn't explain why wob would want to do this or what it implies). Especially Schia is weak. I find ihbst read funny for comparing to himself though. Not so sure on coretown anymore. In general I'm regretting that we ended up in this situation where both ihbst and clemens don't give us too much information. I think for scum!clemens it'd be optimal right now if I got shot to shoot ihbst, as that seemed savest for him initially (and was also what he suggested). Though later ihbst did also say he'd probably shoot me so it'd be a pretty good situation for clemens to disengage a little and just ensure he'd not be shot today. Thing is, I can see town clemens definitely trolling a bit as well, as well as talking to me and engaging with me. As for the interactions with Toni and wob. I still find it odd for Toni to push scum!clemens that hard. Wob saying clemens could have been bussed but casting doubt mainly on the people on clemens does seem like a viable partner Feels like I keep comparing the same things though, just doubting myself more every time I read them. relate to this as I'm starting to doubt my Clemens reads would you do this to appease myan? |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:21:28 GMT
relate to this as I'm starting to doubt my Clemens reads would you do this to appease myan? What reason would he have to appease Myan right now? If Myan wants to shoot you, that's a preferable outcome for ihbst -> if Myan indeed shoots you, scum!ihbst would probably want to appease you to avoid being shot in volo |
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 20:24:58 GMT
would you do this to appease myan? What reason would he have to appease Myan right now? If Myan wants to shoot you, that's a preferable outcome for ihbst -> if Myan indeed shoots you, scum!ihbst would probably want to appease you to avoid being shot in volo how I think of this is: ihbst knows myan has gun ihbst knows myan wants to shoot me ihbst appeases myan to lower myan's sense of guard so there is a even lower chance of getting shot after I get shot ihbst does his work on me am I overthinking this |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:32:19 GMT
What reason would he have to appease Myan right now? If Myan wants to shoot you, that's a preferable outcome for ihbst -> if Myan indeed shoots you, scum!ihbst would probably want to appease you to avoid being shot in volo how I think of this is: ihbst knows myan has gun ihbst knows myan wants to shoot me ihbst appeases myan to lower myan's sense of guard so there is a even lower chance of getting shot after I get shot ihbst does his work on me am I overthinking this Uh that could be the case, but then it relies on the point where ihbst uses magic on you. Which is by chance also the easiest step for you to intervene at |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:32:41 GMT
Also said post is counterproductive to said "work"
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:35:15 GMT
Thinking about it, scum!ihbst could post it to convince me that clemens is scum. But that'd only help him by getting me to ensure Myan shoots clemens, as afterwards clemens would have the gun anyway and ihbst would be conf to me. That doesn't make much sense either. Probably best to not read into this post from the perspective of scum!ihbst too much
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:52:53 GMT
Decided to do the full matrix to give a better overview of my reads / view on the game right now. Clemens towncase: Toni pushing clemens very hard (basically his identity this game), and wob later pushing clemens too would be a very strange move for scum in a game where bussing is punished more than in other themes. Clemens seems rather uninhibited and dares to be vulnerable. Clemens scumcase: wob's main push seemed to be based upon the narrative that scum must've been pushing clemens, while also saying clemens could've been bussed. This was very non-committal onto clemens, despite using his innocence as a key point to push Myan and ihbst. Clemens has coasted throughout the game by actively commenting about off-topic or not so important things, mostly engaging to give reads when prompted (without getting in too many back and forths / questioning others). ihbst towncase: Has been pretty active throughout the game, even though most posts did not contain too much information. ihbst has given committed reads most of the game. This would be bad as scum, as it limits your ability to push other people when it might be the optimal route through the game. Wob tried to push him which would be risky for scum (although not as hard as toni did on clemens). Reading back, often indicated that he'd be around for questions / asked who people'd shoot, which is a start for a good meta. ihbst scumcase: While he has been active, he hasn't actively looked to discuss with other people. Often saying that the reads won't be explained which cuts off potential entry points of discussions. Toni largely ignored him, wob didn't truly engage with him either even tho he expressed the want to shoot ihbst. ihbst  ?: ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/94866/thread Don't know how to read this. Would he not make sure a claim about a scumpartner? Maybe. Would he make a claim about a scumpartner but combine it with another player (clemens) to not make it too obvious. Maybe? The more I look at it, the more I feel like clemens is indeed the last scum, even if it doesn't make sense with Toni. Especially since rereading ihbst makes my read on him weaker? His posts often felt not so useful in the moment but reading back it might've been a bit harsh. ihbst I do have a question: could you explain your read progression on clemens throughout the game (+ anyone else who you might've changed your case on. I mostly noticed clemens in your ISO. You switched reads on him pretty often, like hwen I joined the game. If you remember why you switched Schia from wanting him to be shot => null around this time, it'd be interesting too) |
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:53:15 GMT
ISO search page is closing for now, at least until someone else is here
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 20:53:43 GMT
the frowny face is a triple question mark indicating I'm not sure what to think btw, apparently that's an auto-emoji
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 20:58:36 GMT
god
who do I shoot tmr now, assuming I am currently a universally scumread slot
like even now snaq has gone onto sring me
both ihbst and snaq have done full 180 degree turns on me, and that really strikes my mind
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on May 30, 2023 21:03:11 GMT
god who do I shoot tmr now, assuming I am currently a universally scumread slot like even now snaq has gone onto sring me both ihbst and snaq have done full 180 degree turns on me, and that really strikes my mind I feel like I've overrated how much Toni pushing you meant and that my read was overreliant on this + that I was too harsh on ihbst. I'm confused what you're saying though. Are you saying you're confused why people have shifted into SRing you? Because it also reads as "who do i shoot, i want to shoot the person who doesn't SR me". In which case it would've been optimal for scum to not have changed their read on you If I'm honest though, I am very much not confident at the moment, which is why I did include a towncase and scumcase on both players: providing a better summary, but also let Myan come to their own conclusions (and hopefully respond, in case I need to make the call tomorrow) |
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 21:19:59 GMT
god who do I shoot tmr now, assuming I am currently a universally scumread slot like even now snaq has gone onto sring me both ihbst and snaq have done full 180 degree turns on me, and that really strikes my mind I feel like I've overrated how much Toni pushing you meant and that my read was overreliant on this + that I was too harsh on ihbst. I'm confused what you're saying though. Are you saying you're confused why people have shifted into SRing you? Because it also reads as "who do i shoot, i want to shoot the person who doesn't SR me". In which case it would've been optimal for scum to not have changed their read on you If I'm honest though, I am very much not confident at the moment, which is why I did include a towncase and scumcase on both players: providing a better summary, but also let Myan come to their own conclusions (and hopefully respond, in case I need to make the call tomorrow) No, I mean that I think it is weird that both of you changed your reads on me I still think I will stick to a ihbst shot tmr if I get gunned |
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Post by ihbst on May 30, 2023 21:31:01 GMT
well at first I thought clemensthe was scummy but then Toni flipped so Clemensthe was less scummy then wob flipped which made Clemensthe even less scummy but then Clemensthe had some questionable lines when myan had the gun
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Post by iavh on May 30, 2023 21:34:30 GMT
like wat
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Post by ihbst on May 30, 2023 21:46:21 GMT
like how you preferred snaq having the gun implying you knew both of us were town
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