OH BOY IT'S BEEN A GOOD 2(ISH) HOURS AND
THIS POST IS DEFINITELY ON TIME FOR SURE
[quote
author="
Jodie Whittaker " timestamp="1509650398" source="/post/33388/thread"]Why did
you plurshift onto theaph and what makes you read them
Actually I'm gonna check if they lynched you
author="Jodie Whittaker " timestamp="1509650434"]Ok I see it as omgus[/quote]I'm not
lynching Vet today if only because this is something I'd genuinely consider "too scummy to be
scum" and I can't see scum actually using this logic if they're trying to look townish. I still don't
like how you went from, "I wonder why you did this" to, "Actually, let
me decide why you
did this" in such a short timespan.
we
should discuss strategies
What we SHOUDLNT do is say a strategy, then tell mafia how to counter the strategy. That is
just useless
EpicCreeper do you have any reads? Why did you NL in the first place? please be
useful
The problem is that most strategies, upon being discussed, inherently tell scum
how to counter them, and more likely than not the scumteam is capable of figuring it out if they
aren't told directly. Circles, in my opinion, are the only "100% safe" strategy to discuss, but with
most actions it's not as viable since this isn't Farmer's Market and for reasons unclear to me
people think a Hide circle won't work. Scum can't kill someone to frame if literally all of the
town is hiding.
[quote source="/post/33408/thread" timestamp="1509669093"
author="
bluegummybear "]What epic did was not that serious and was not deserved of a
lynch already, But also i wouldnt support a hider circle because mafia has the option to mislead
town unless two people target one person or something. also i was thinking oracle circles if
everyone oracles n1 and someone is confirmed(if town) they can out smart and os commute/ hid
To avoid being killed at least for night 1. i could be missing something. Thoughts? oh just saw
Doctor they could be protected. i can further explain my strat if so[/quote]See above for my
response to the Hider circle comment. The Oracle plan holds merit as well, although I can see
ways scum could thwart it (which I'd rather not mention until day 2 on the offchance that scum
doesn't actually notice).
oh
wait im Drunk i thought scorch said that Lol
So do you think Epic should be lynched?
It’s
kind of hard to read people in this, given that it’s my first game of forum mafia and some of the
players haven’t even spoken yet. But I can say I SR VeteranLycanroc, their second
post seemed like too much of a blatantly obvious strategy and something scum trying too
hard to be town would say.
Shift onto Scorch reasoning: I know I’m town. I don’t know if Scorch is town. Therefore,
shift to Scorch. :/
But more importantly, the question everyone’s been asking: Why did I NL?
We’ll find out after this break. This line break.
The NL was mainly meant as a meme. Though I also do like night in this theme. At day it’s
vanilla, at night it’s INSANITY. I LIKE INSANITY.
Also, about the BW on me: I don’t see a problem with that particular BW. VigVig got on me
first for NLing, FTF was second... but Scorch’s lynch seems like a memelynch to me. Though I
would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me.
I think you're looking into the
"Let's talk night plan" comment way too hard. It's at most NAI, since it's the most obvious thing
for anyone to say at the beginning of a No Setup game.
You shifted off yourself with over a day left in the game? Were you really that paranoid about
getting lynched?
I'll use a second post to respond to FtF's.[/quote]
-I'd say
that Vet quote is pretty NA, considering that Vet is naturally that bad. Refer to any of Vet's other
forum game attempts if you require proof.
-Talking about this or that or the other is ABSOLUTELY FINE. The reason we're discussing
these plans and immediately shooting them down is so that nothing is left to chance.
-Well we can see now that the paranoia is justified Fenrir A(Inactive)esir
Quoteception
makes people suffer usually, so let's try out a different response format.
ForgotToFlush , make up your mind. You can't shut down people's plans for being "too
predictable" and also say you want to "let scum anticipate all they want."
Honestly, a large amount of your post seems like pointless memes that no serious response can
be given to, leading up to a meme plan. ("Fight Vanillizers with more Vanillizers"?) In other
words, I see a lot of filler.
I don't see why you townread Champ because Champ themselves said their post was AI. If
anything, Champ pointing out "Hey look at this thing that indicates my alignment" makes it a
bunch of NAI wifom.
Somehow, I didn't notice Aknolan's post until now. I am in agreement with the third section of
that post; if we
are going to discuss everything we do let's not make it obvious who's doing
it.
can let scum anticipate all they want because they're gonna fucking do it anyways, but we're
definitely not gonna make it easy on them. It's logical for the situation to exist in the two ways
you think that they shouldn't
-100% serious about the vanillaiser plan, and it's made better if we don't claim who vanillaised
who. Vanillaising as town has some huge merits imo. The simpler we make this game, the easier
it is to eliminate annoying peripherals and actually narrow reads.
So, with all of
that in mind I'm of the opinion that Scorrching or Epic should be lynched today.
There's a ton of setup talk going on and obviously not everyone restricting themselves to it can
be scum, but Scorrching stands out when I ISO his posts, since a lot of them are one-liners that
barely even add to the setup talk (and a list of "good actions to use n1" but little on a strategy
using them even though he's one of the people advocating for heavy setup discussion). The only
"saving grace" (if you could call it that) is his comment on two votes being the ideal number for
the tallier.
Meanwhile, I've commented already on the problem with Epic feeling the need to shift off
himself so early into the day. The No Lynch is ultimately NAI in my opinion. There are few
posts from Epic to look at, and like Scorrching it's a lot of extremely basic setup discussion (it's
simple commentary on how things work with no analysis of how they can be used). I also don't
like his comment on Scorrching's vote on him and subsequent request of "Though I would very
much appreciate it if you all got off of me", which reads as if he's trying to discredit the wagon
that formed on him even though said wagon was comprised of random votes. The request in
particular is off on a tonal level by a wide margin.
I lost my train of thought and had something else I was going to say, but it didn't affect my reads
on either of these two. I'm currently liking Epic less than I am Scorrching.
Unvote AknolanVote Epiccreeper9002
minimalist discussion was something I already mentioned, thanks for seconding it
-I don't care if the nl is NAI, I just fucking despise the kid so accordingly, I policy him. I didn't
try to hide the fact that my lynch is solely emotionally driven either. You're reading too much
into this, something I also mentioned in my previous post
[quote author="
Champ1604 " timestamp="1509690333"
source="/post/33431/thread"][quote source="/post/33414/thread" author="
ForgotToFlush "
timestamp="1509675589"]
The plan is to bus driver in
the shape of an ellipse because circles are for squares.
NOW YOU MAY BE ASKING
FTF, what will this braindead plan accomplish
I DONT KNOW, I DONT THINK HOST KNOWS EITHER
WHAT THE FUCK WOULD EVEN HAPPEN
WE'LL FIND OUT
[/quote]And then.
My friends.
Scum switches Bus Drivers.BOOM.
You may ask,
"Champ1604 your plan talked about Talliers what about that oi?"
Well, let me make this clear. Unlike all plans, my plan does not demand anyone to actually use
it. My simple request is that we keep around 3 lynches on someone per day.
Unlynch EpicCreeper9002(I just noticed I went against my plan, so I did this.)
As for other comments on FTF's post, he literally commented "this sucks cuz my plan" on most
things, raised my hopes, and then crashed them at once with that plan. So yeah, the total post was a big, big NAI. Sorry.[/quote]
-LMAO LET SCUM
SWITCH BUS DRIVER IF THEY WANNA BE FUCKING BRAINDEAD LMAOOOOO
YOU REALLY THINK THEY'LL WASTE A SWITCH ON A BUS DRIVER? THEN WE
JUST GET A FUCKING VANILLA NIGHT. THIS ISN'T A BAD THING.
-My plan has a ton of merit dude come on. I want to lower the complexity limit of this entire
scenario, and then we'll have a game more dependent on reads and shit, not just what happened
for what role, because there's minimal chance in the setup that we can trust
roles and the info they give. That's just natural.
[quote source="/post/33432/thread" timestamp="1509691065"
author="
Champ1604 "][quote source="/post/33421/thread" timestamp="1509684024"
author="
Fenrir "]I'm not lynching Vet today if only because this is something I'd genuinely
consider "too scummy to be scum" and I can't see scum actually using this logic if they're trying
to look townish. I still don't like how you went from, "I wonder why you did this" to, "Actually,
let
me decide why you did this" in such a short timespan.
The problem is that most strategies, upon being discussed, inherently tell scum how to counter
them, and more likely than not the scumteam is capable of figuring it out if they aren't told
directly. Circles, in my opinion, are the only "100% safe" strategy to discuss, but with most
actions it's not as viable since this isn't Farmer's Market and for reasons unclear to me people
think a Hide circle won't work. Scum can't kill someone to frame if literally all of the town is
hiding.[/quote]Believe me Fenrir, "too scummy to be scum" only comes with regrets. Scum
will use bad logic to lynch people all because they want to not gamesolve for town
so that town is unable to come up with proper discussion to lynch them. Upvotes to the fact that
VeteranBrionne's play isn't something that shines bright.
See, I have already said so many times that discussing how scum could counter them is mostly
important, simply because of the fact that we will be underestimating scum if we think that they
cannot come up with counters and we can.
Other than that, circles are no where safe because of Bus Drivers, Screamers and such, and
switching them all off will be a big pain.
One more important mention is that you're demanding reasons as for why circles are unsafe,
while also being a supporter of the fact that we mustn't discuss counters for strategies.
Contradicting in one post? [/quote]
-Looking at
motive, not intent, leads me to believe that the reasons you all call Vet scum, does not make him
scum. Now with this new salt lynch, I'm inclined to change my mind.
Y'all are all glossing over the fact that scum
themselves can be the ones tearing down the plans we make. Food for thoughtFTF.
Shut the fuck up
Ok now that that’s done I can say that Fenrir is town. Akno is probably town too
Scorching is still scum, as he hasn’t given a good reason as to the purpose of making a strategy
and explaining how to counter it
young man I don't appreciate your tone. Put down that xbox controller and go make your bed or
else there won't be any jello at the dinner table for you.
-Now get your stick out of your ass and realize something. NOTHING THAT YOU ARE
DOING< is actually fucking helping. I made it apparent in my last post that through all the pages
I had to read, there wasn't much thoughtful discussion. Only pointless feuding over the most
trivial details. Show some fucking intent to work forward and maybe then you can throw your
weight around and tell people to shut up.
-Also, if your bitchass is fine with some half baked plan just sliding through into the night phase
then what the fuck are you actually trying to accomplish? Scum don't need to be spoon fed,
you're the only baby in a high chair. The reason that counter strategies are popping up this
quickly is because the initial strategies are not sound AND THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID IN
ORDER TO PROGRESS. Stop bitching about the glaringly obvious and actually try and work
towards a solution, instead of taking the easy way out and only finishing half the argument.
[quote source="/post/33462/thread" timestamp="1509735824"
author="
BoredGames "]According to ODM u can tell if i'm scum by my 2nd post...
Scorrching 1-Ur font is stupid and annoying and I don't want to read up. Your plan is
complicated as all hell and relies on certain busdriver's having prio over other bus drivers, which
makes no sense.
Epic is just being bad at this point. "nl was for the memes" Lies, he said he done goofed before
claiming it was a meme. "Plurshifting because i'm town and idk if scorching is" SAME. Icba to
type other examples but I think you can see my point.]
FTF go home ur drunk.
How about we find out what roles in certain situations do/how actions would result out BEFORE
we actually suggest more plans. Also I'm starting to see a situation where town has so many theories we don't know which one to do so we just do random roles (which honestly might just
be the best scenario if we use GOOD ROLES [aka be a meme get lynched d2]).
If you're unsure about any roles post them here or ask the host
Now please stop making me read through 2 pages of text everytime I check this forum tyvm
[/quote]
-Unpredictability is the way to go I think,
but we don't want to leave things to chance.Alright so
I'm getting annoyed by a few things here,
1 Scorrching responded to my post in which I said we could have more plans than the mafia can
stop that we outnumber the mafia and can have more plans than the mafia can stop. I had literally
just said that. Why only that as response?
2 the whole "discussion hurts town" bs. For the idea of discussion hurting town to be true you
need to be making the assumption that mafia is dumber than town. Sure, there are plans that
work best when nobody knows about the plan, but that doesn't really matter for most things so
we can still discuss about the parts where it does work better if people know. And if town can
think of it, if you want to believe town can get your implied meaning, so can mafia.
and 3 what kind of plan is a hider circle? do you realize that hiders are almost always a weak
role? you want to know what happens when you make a hider circle? at some point it ends up
with people hiding behind mafia. One person hides behind mafia and dies because it's a weak
role, everyone else behind them dies because the person they were hiding behind died. (at least if
I remember it correctly that's how it works) and even if that's not how it works, it might not even
be possible to create a hider circle because of the way priority works and hiders becoming
untargetable.
I hope the hider circle idea was a joke, but if it wasn't I'd like someone to elaborate on why that
would even be a remotely good idea
doesn't hurt town, bad discussion hurts town, there's an awful lot of that going on
-Now you just sold yourself out and made it look like you have no clue what's going on, we've
long since moved past the hider circle discussion.
[quote
source="/post/33484/thread" timestamp="1509756282" author="
bluegummybear "]well i dont
think he should be lynch for that reason alone but i just realized his recent play and that plur shift
is definitively what scum would do. reason being because he lynch then unlynch because
he didnt want to see scummy. i see it a way he tried to to do and not be scummy. but i would like
to know why did that? also the fact it was so early its not like you arent in a rush
@epic
thinking he's town goes both ways.
i
feel that some people are just dont want those 2 players which seems to be the main scum reads
to stay in the game which makes sense rather then thinking there Actually scum to a certain
extend.
make your posts readable? Also, what's your reasoning for this? (unless I'm interpreting this post
wrong due to poor grammar/spelling)
Overall, going through BGB's posts, they seem of quite low quality to me. They seem quite
forced, and he doesn't tend to go over them like at all. (e.g. Him calling out "scorrching" for
plurshifting onto self; but was actually EC, calling out xnad for inactivity and the quote above
((no reasoning/poor quality))). The way he's defending EC quite a lot rubs me weirdly, and also
that he's trying to call out/directing attention to Scorrching as scum because of anything at all,
really. (e.g. "What is this bus driver circle i saw scrooch did some post about but i just got lazy
and skiped over it since it seem like nonsencce") And due to all of this; lynch
bluegummybear
[/quote]
-Well at least we've moved past the absolute
trash discussion phase
-I agree with the low qual posts but is the poor grammar the deal breaker here?
Also
Champ sure, scum not knowing what we r doing is beneficial, but if we don't know what we are
doing then what's the point?
Also about Xnad's point although 3 on screamers would be fine, there's no need for it we have
other roles that can stop maf stopping the switch.
Also let me just bring up something I said in my first post.
Thankfully, talliers do not work
the way I suggested they could work AKA THEY CAN'T BE REDIRECTED They just target people on the lynch that was successful, not they get to target any lynch (even one's that
didn't go through). That's how they work in Si apparently, but snaq changed it for balance.
Now, let me stop breaking game mechanics and actually start scum hunting.
knowing, it just makes it less believable. Understand the trade off before weighing in[quote source="/post/33525/thread" author="
Jodie Whittaker "
timestamp="1509804440"]For+ getting on epic creeper and staying on + not doing anything his
whole game (life).
Also a worthless player so it's fine to lynch[/quote]
-S A L T L Y
N C H
-Look I can get behind a good old salt lynch but what is the intent here? Do you
want people to sheep you or do you want to prove a point?
[quote
timestamp="1509810247" author="
Champ1604 " source="/post/33538/thread"]And, in
order to get more high quality reads, I would like you to give me your opinion on EpicCreeper X
ScorrchingTheaph. And any further reads, if you have any.
Ok, so if the quote thing looks
weird (cause it does on my screen whilst typing) then soz.
Ok, So scorch vs Epic.
Epic seems like more of bad town than scum This may just be player meta coming through, and I do see reasons for lynching epic (the nl, him
not really contributing/trying to prove himself as town, his nl reasoning of it was a meme when
beforehand he said it was a mistake) but i'm struggling to find anything malicious in it. Also I
doubt scum r willing to draw themselves this much attention before night has even begun.
Scorrching=
Weak Sr Their activity seems forced, their Oracle circle idea just seems like they copied hider circle idea
and just changed hider to oracle because it gives them more merit. I can't get anything of more
merit to have a stronger sr on them, but their activity, despite being a lot of activity, is just them
responding to posts then producing a bad idea and going "at least i'm putting forward ideas
unlike EC"
Champ=
Weak Tr They have been putting forward ideas, scum hunting and haven't done anything yet to make me
doubt them otherwise (I'm not willing to have strong tr's rn because it's just d1)
Ftf=
Trolling town TALK
ForgotToFlush
yeah,i tagged u. Deal with it.
Everyone else is null rn, but I will say bgb and aknolan seem like they're reluctant to discuss
(btw trolling town does not mean I tr ftf, i'm just saying this is probs what they r but in reality
they are just null). Also wake up fen, start talking again tyvm
[/quote]-
Scum reading someone for discussing the merit
of a variant of a previously suggested idea? Does anyone suggesting a circle plan warrant a scum
read now?[quote timestamp="1509828737" author="
epiccreeper9002 "
source="/post/33559/thread"]
lynch bgbin case anyone wants to last minute shift ig[/quote]
-Send
off message that will probably make people dislike me, but it's fine
Listen here fuckcunt, you can parade around all you want but at the end of the day, know that I'm
not welcoming you, not in this life time. You're an absolute pain in the ass and you don't seem to
understand just how irrelevant you are. Stop forcing your obnoxious presence down everyone's
throat and fuck off. Nobody has any problems with you, because nobody can be assed to bother
with you.
WAIT NO I BLEEPING CYBERBULLIED HIM OH NOOOOOOOOOO
SNAQ YOU'RE A BLEEPING RO DO SOEMTHING TO SAVE HIM FROM THIS VERBAL
ABUSE HE MIGHT CRY AHHHHHHH
ANYWAYS
Now that I got that out of the way I can push forward some key details
- A large majority of you have seemed to miss the point, I had to sit down and sift through this
mess of a game and I could not find much substance. While most of you haven't seemed to
improve there is a small quality increase so there is that to look forward to.
-I'm not hiding anything in terms of this lynch. Regardless of his flip, know exactly how I feel
and why I'm lynching him.
-The simpler this game becomes, the easier it is to win, that's why I'm looking less at the roles.
-The bus driver circle should 100% take place tonight, I'll be doing my part for the very least.
BYEEEEE
[/font]
Ok. Most important thing tomorrow night. We NEED someone to switch screamer. I doubt the role I used was switched, or that both vet and I were roleblocked, so Obviously we didn’t stop the screamer
