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Post by BoredGames on Nov 6, 2017 21:07:07 GMT
"Why didn't I lynch"
Is it a legal requirement to lynch? Do i have to lynch even if idk who I should lynch? Does it make me scummy or townie if I lynch?
R we claiming actions or no
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Post by Bomb Moss on Nov 7, 2017 1:26:45 GMT
Eugh kinda died irl, fell sick and felt like shit the whole of yesterday. Kept throwing up.
I feel better now but I don't think I have the energy to post until tomorrow, so you won't be seeing me today.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 7, 2017 6:03:20 GMT
Also I commuted out of fear like a little bitch.
No. Vanillizing as town is risky and puts us into situations where it becomes easy for scum to outplay us. Vanillizing has more cons and pros so I would not use it. Sure, it simplifies night actions, but simplifying night actions is not exactly pro-town.
>I want to lower the complexity limit of this entire scenario, and then we'll have a game more dependent on reads and shit, not just what happened for what role, because there's minimal chance in the setup that we can trust roles and the info they give. That's just natural.
Bus Driver ellipse does not lower the complexity of the entire scenario. Sure, there's a chance that info roles can be misled by scum actions, but info is still info. More information, even if there is a chance of it being faulty, does not hurt town. As long as town is not doing something dumb like Vanillize/Loverboy/Nympho/Suicide Bomb, I do agree that we should follow reads more than info.
>Discussion doesn't hurt town, bad discussion hurts town, there's an awful lot of that going on
Flaming does not help town, and there is an awful lot coming from you. Please chill.
>The simpler this game becomes, the easier it is to win, that's why I'm looking less at the roles.
nO. ur wrOng. we must increase the compleXity of the gaim or else le scums will simply outplai us. luckil-e for us, scum are dumbdumbs and only did a single nightkil last nite. they could've killed up to 5 dudes but nO they didn't lul. rof scum u dum. it's true b/c it rhymes. u can't deny it. while the moofiaz are playing checcers, the town will be playing 5-dismenshunal chess. before scum knows what hit them, they will be chekm8'ed. ez gaim gg no re town wins. The moar compleX the gaim becomes, the easier it is to tricc the mafa. i do agreed dat we shuld look less at the roals. A top tier strat wuold be 2 randomly choose ur action so scum cannot even begin to predonk ur move. if u a mlg prO u can even randomize ur target(s). scum u should duble-white-falg now becuz u have 0% chance of winning. |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 7, 2017 7:03:38 GMT
"Why didn't I lynch" Is it a legal requirement to lynch? Do i have to lynch even if idk who I should lynch? Does it make me scummy or townie if I lynch? R we claiming actions or no Dislike this post. Gets really defensive over a question, and then doesn’t respond to anything else lynch Bored I’m really flip-flopped on Scorrching rn |
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 7, 2017 10:41:31 GMT
Dislike this post. Gets really defensive over a question, and then doesn’t respond to anything else lynch Bored I’m really flip-flopped on Scorrching rn VigilanteVigoroth, and @veteranbrionne Earlier this game-day I asked you to claim your night actions, so that we can confirm if there was a screamer in action or not. As said earlier, I have been disallowing others to claim so that you can claim before any other actions. Besides, you're still on plurality. Any suggestions as to what we should do on day two? |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 7, 2017 11:10:58 GMT
I told you I used watcher on you and got nothing
I suggest that today we lynch Bored, and find somebody to switch screamer
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Post by Bomb Moss on Nov 7, 2017 11:28:21 GMT
hi.
OK so we still need 2 screamer switches so scum can't roleblock them all.
Lynch CLC
That reaction is pretty off to me rn, not liking it.
We probably have no inspects since Screamer wasn't switched and VigVig didn't get any results.
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 7, 2017 11:52:43 GMT
Also, I forgot to comment on your lynch on bored. I feel that it isn't really a perfect reason. From the gist of it, making up a reason not to lynch after my post and Aknolan's post could have been extremely easy. They could have easily simply reused my reason, which was Talliers. Though from one point, I will admit that Bored's response was bad, but I wouldn't consider it as a lynch already. On a side note, my tag failure. Jodie Whittaker |
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 7, 2017 11:54:20 GMT
Are you trying to lynch a person who is not even in the game? |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Nov 7, 2017 12:47:31 GMT
Clc is ironic ninja smh
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Post by Bomb Moss on Nov 7, 2017 12:49:08 GMT
Wait fuck.
lYnch Broken Jukebox
Ignore my fuckup, messed both of them up.
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Post by BoredGames on Nov 7, 2017 16:01:55 GMT
VigilanteVigoroth No offence but that wasn't me getting defense, that's me being annoyed about having to respond to a stupid question that has no relevance whatsoever (yes, i'm aware this makes me seem more defensive but oh well) Also Xnad, can u explain why u r on me, thx.
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Post by Jodie Whittaker on Nov 7, 2017 17:31:45 GMT
So yes I got role blocked but I tried to see if the people on the lynch were Mafia, there I used tallier.
However I do believe that none of the people on the lynch were Mafia (seeing as there are only 2 left).
Which means I need to do something
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Post by aknolan on Nov 7, 2017 18:48:43 GMT
uhm if we want to make sure for 100% that the screamer is actually switched then shouldn't we appoint 3 people for switching? iirc there's 2 mafia left and snaq did say that mafia can use a night action AND kill so they can block 2 people at night. As such 2 people is not enough.
We also need to think about switching off vanillaiser, because while I appreciate that everyone's trying to think of strategies, I don't think vanillaising as town is the way to go.
Also to those of you who were trying to do an investigation but got blocked, what kind of message did you get for that?
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Post by Snaq ◢ ◤ on Nov 7, 2017 19:12:53 GMT
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Nov 7, 2017 21:24:19 GMT
uhm if we want to make sure for 100% that the screamer is actually switched then shouldn't we appoint 3 people for switching? iirc there's 2 mafia left and snaq did say that mafia can use a night action AND kill so they can block 2 people at night. As such 2 people is not enough. 2 players should be enough, assuming Switch has priority over nightkill and that Town does not accidentally Roleblock the people using Switch. Scenario 1: Both players town. Mafia can not Roleblock both players and also use Switch. If they use both of their actions to blocks, they have no one to use the Switch. Scenario 2: One town, one mafia. If Mafia decides to Roleblock the Town player, this means that one or more off the two players designated to use Switch is confirmed to be scum. A 50/50 is beneficial for town. Scenario 3: Both players mafia. Mafia has the option to safely use Screamer as their night action, but the next day one or both of the two players are confirmed to be scum. A minor issue I see with this plan is that Mafia will anticipate Investigation actions and attempt to screw with out results. |
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 7, 2017 22:03:49 GMT
hmm. Perhaps I was wrong about scorrching
Bored is scum tho.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 7, 2017 22:18:42 GMT
Wooooooo ur boi got wifi back
Expect some top notch quality posts soon
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 0:11:22 GMT
REPOST I CHOOSE YOUUUUUUU
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 0:12:15 GMT
OH BOY IT'S BEEN A GOOD 2(ISH) HOURS AND THIS POST IS DEFINITELY ON TIME FOR SURE
Why did you plurshift onto theaph and what makes you read them Actually I'm gonna check if they lynched you I'm not lynching Vet today if only because this is something I'd genuinely consider "too scummy to be scum" and I can't see scum actually using this logic if they're trying to look townish. I still don't like how you went from, "I wonder why you did this" to, "Actually, let me decide why you did this" in such a short timespan. we should discuss strategies What we SHOUDLNT do is say a strategy, then tell mafia how to counter the strategy. That is just useless EpicCreeper do you have any reads? Why did you NL in the first place? please be useful The problem is that most strategies, upon being discussed, inherently tell scum how to counter them, and more likely than not the scumteam is capable of figuring it out if they aren't told directly. Circles, in my opinion, are the only "100% safe" strategy to discuss, but with most actions it's not as viable since this isn't Farmer's Market and for reasons unclear to me people think a Hide circle won't work. Scum can't kill someone to frame if literally all of the town is hiding. What epic did was not that serious and was not deserved of a lynch already, But also i wouldnt support a hider circle because mafia has the option to mislead town unless two people target one person or something. also i was thinking oracle circles if everyone oracles n1 and someone is confirmed(if town) they can out smart and os commute/ hid To avoid being killed at least for night 1. i could be missing something. Thoughts? oh just saw Doctor they could be protected. i can further explain my strat if so See above for my response to the Hider circle comment. The Oracle plan holds merit as well, although I can see ways scum could thwart it (which I'd rather not mention until day 2 on the offchance that scum doesn't actually notice). oh wait im Drunk i thought scorch said that Lol So do you think Epic should be lynched? It’s kind of hard to read people in this, given that it’s my first game of forum mafia and some of the players haven’t even spoken yet. But I can say I SR VeteranLycanroc, their second post seemed like too much of a blatantly obvious strategy and something scum trying too hard to be town would say.
Shift onto Scorch reasoning: I know I’m town. I don’t know if Scorch is town. Therefore, shift to Scorch. :/
But more importantly, the question everyone’s been asking: Why did I NL? We’ll find out after this break. This line break.
The NL was mainly meant as a meme. Though I also do like night in this theme. At day it’s vanilla, at night it’s INSANITY. I LIKE INSANITY. Also, about the BW on me: I don’t see a problem with that particular BW. VigVig got on me first for NLing, FTF was second... but Scorch’s lynch seems like a memelynch to me. Though I would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me. I think you're looking into the "Let's talk night plan" comment way too hard. It's at most NAI, since it's the most obvious thing for anyone to say at the beginning of a No Setup game. You shifted off yourself with over a day left in the game? Were you really that paranoid about getting lynched? I'll use a second post to respond to FtF's.
-Talking about this or that or the other is ABSOLUTELY FINE. The reason we're discussing these plans and immediately shooting them down is so that nothing is left to chance.
-Well we can see now that the paranoia is justified Fenrir A(Inactive)esir
Quoteception makes people suffer usually, so let's try out a different response format. ForgotToFlush , make up your mind. You can't shut down people's plans for being "too predictable" and also say you want to "let scum anticipate all they want." Honestly, a large amount of your post seems like pointless memes that no serious response can be given to, leading up to a meme plan. ("Fight Vanillizers with more Vanillizers"?) In other words, I see a lot of filler. I don't see why you townread Champ because Champ themselves said their post was AI. If anything, Champ pointing out "Hey look at this thing that indicates my alignment" makes it a bunch of NAI wifom. Somehow, I didn't notice Aknolan's post until now. I am in agreement with the third section of that post; if we are going to discuss everything we do let's not make it obvious who's doing it.
-100% serious about the vanillaiser plan, and it's made better if we don't claim who vanillaised who. Vanillaising as town has some huge merits imo. The simpler we make this game, the easier it is to eliminate annoying peripherals and actually narrow reads.
So, with all of that in mind I'm of the opinion that Scorrching or Epic should be lynched today. There's a ton of setup talk going on and obviously not everyone restricting themselves to it can be scum, but Scorrching stands out when I ISO his posts, since a lot of them are one-liners that barely even add to the setup talk (and a list of "good actions to use n1" but little on a strategy using them even though he's one of the people advocating for heavy setup discussion). The only "saving grace" (if you could call it that) is his comment on two votes being the ideal number for the tallier. Meanwhile, I've commented already on the problem with Epic feeling the need to shift off himself so early into the day. The No Lynch is ultimately NAI in my opinion. There are few posts from Epic to look at, and like Scorrching it's a lot of extremely basic setup discussion (it's simple commentary on how things work with no analysis of how they can be used). I also don't like his comment on Scorrching's vote on him and subsequent request of "Though I would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me", which reads as if he's trying to discredit the wagon that formed on him even though said wagon was comprised of random votes. The request in particular is off on a tonal level by a wide margin. I lost my train of thought and had something else I was going to say, but it didn't affect my reads on either of these two. I'm currently liking Epic less than I am Scorrching. Unvote AknolanVote Epiccreeper9002
-I don't care if the nl is NAI, I just fucking despise the kid so accordingly, I policy him. I didn't try to hide the fact that my lynch is solely emotionally driven either. You're reading too much into this, something I also mentioned in my previous post
The plan is to bus driver in the shape of an ellipse because circles are for squares.
NOW YOU MAY BE ASKING
FTF, what will this braindead plan accomplish
I DONT KNOW, I DONT THINK HOST KNOWS EITHER
WHAT THE FUCK WOULD EVEN HAPPEN
WE'LL FIND OUT
And then. My friends. Scum switches Bus Drivers.BOOM. You may ask, "Champ1604 your plan talked about Talliers what about that oi?" Well, let me make this clear. Unlike all plans, my plan does not demand anyone to actually use it. My simple request is that we keep around 3 lynches on someone per day. Unlynch EpicCreeper9002(I just noticed I went against my plan, so I did this.) As for other comments on FTF's post, he literally commented "this sucks cuz my plan" on most things, raised my hopes, and then crashed them at once with that plan. So yeah, the total post was a big, big NAI. Sorry.
YOU REALLY THINK THEY'LL WASTE A SWITCH ON A BUS DRIVER? THEN WE JUST GET A FUCKING VANILLA NIGHT. THIS ISN'T A BAD THING.
-My plan has a ton of merit dude come on. I want to lower the complexity limit of this entire scenario, and then we'll have a game more dependent on reads and shit, not just what happened for what role, because there's minimal chance in the setup that we can trust roles and the info they give. That's just natural.
I'm not lynching Vet today if only because this is something I'd genuinely consider "too scummy to be scum" and I can't see scum actually using this logic if they're trying to look townish. I still don't like how you went from, "I wonder why you did this" to, "Actually, let me decide why you did this" in such a short timespan. The problem is that most strategies, upon being discussed, inherently tell scum how to counter them, and more likely than not the scumteam is capable of figuring it out if they aren't told directly. Circles, in my opinion, are the only "100% safe" strategy to discuss, but with most actions it's not as viable since this isn't Farmer's Market and for reasons unclear to me people think a Hide circle won't work. Scum can't kill someone to frame if literally all of the town is hiding. Believe me Fenrir, "too scummy to be scum" only comes with regrets. Scum will use bad logic to lynch people all because they want to not gamesolve for town so that town is unable to come up with proper discussion to lynch them. Upvotes to the fact that VeteranBrionne's play isn't something that shines bright. See, I have already said so many times that discussing how scum could counter them is mostly important, simply because of the fact that we will be underestimating scum if we think that they cannot come up with counters and we can. Other than that, circles are no where safe because of Bus Drivers, Screamers and such, and switching them all off will be a big pain. One more important mention is that you're demanding reasons as for why circles are unsafe, while also being a supporter of the fact that we mustn't discuss counters for strategies. Contradicting in one post?
Y'all are all glossing over the fact that scum themselves can be the ones tearing down the plans we make. Food for thought
FTF. Shut the fuck up Ok now that that’s done I can say that Fenrir is town. Akno is probably town too Scorching is still scum, as he hasn’t given a good reason as to the purpose of making a strategy and explaining how to counter it
-Now get your stick out of your ass and realize something. NOTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING< is actually fucking helping. I made it apparent in my last post that through all the pages I had to read, there wasn't much thoughtful discussion. Only pointless feuding over the most trivial details. Show some fucking intent to work forward and maybe then you can throw your weight around and tell people to shut up.
-Also, if your bitchass is fine with some half baked plan just sliding through into the night phase then what the fuck are you actually trying to accomplish? Scum don't need to be spoon fed, you're the only baby in a high chair. The reason that counter strategies are popping up this quickly is because the initial strategies are not sound AND THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID IN ORDER TO PROGRESS. Stop bitching about the glaringly obvious and actually try and work towards a solution, instead of taking the easy way out and only finishing half the argument.
According to ODM u can tell if i'm scum by my 2nd post... Scorrching 1-Ur font is stupid and annoying and I don't want to read up. Your plan is complicated as all hell and relies on certain busdriver's having prio over other bus drivers, which makes no sense. Epic is just being bad at this point. "nl was for the memes" Lies, he said he done goofed before claiming it was a meme. "Plurshifting because i'm town and idk if scorching is" SAME. Icba to type other examples but I think you can see my point.] FTF go home ur drunk. How about we find out what roles in certain situations do/how actions would result out BEFORE we actually suggest more plans. Also I'm starting to see a situation where town has so many theories we don't know which one to do so we just do random roles (which honestly might just be the best scenario if we use GOOD ROLES [aka be a meme get lynched d2]). If you're unsure about any roles post them here or ask the host Now please stop making me read through 2 pages of text everytime I check this forum tyvm
Alright so I'm getting annoyed by a few things here, 1 Scorrching responded to my post in which I said we could have more plans than the mafia can stop that we outnumber the mafia and can have more plans than the mafia can stop. I had literally just said that. Why only that as response? 2 the whole "discussion hurts town" bs. For the idea of discussion hurting town to be true you need to be making the assumption that mafia is dumber than town. Sure, there are plans that work best when nobody knows about the plan, but that doesn't really matter for most things so we can still discuss about the parts where it does work better if people know. And if town can think of it, if you want to believe town can get your implied meaning, so can mafia. and 3 what kind of plan is a hider circle? do you realize that hiders are almost always a weak role? you want to know what happens when you make a hider circle? at some point it ends up with people hiding behind mafia. One person hides behind mafia and dies because it's a weak role, everyone else behind them dies because the person they were hiding behind died. (at least if I remember it correctly that's how it works) and even if that's not how it works, it might not even be possible to create a hider circle because of the way priority works and hiders becoming untargetable. I hope the hider circle idea was a joke, but if it wasn't I'd like someone to elaborate on why that would even be a remotely good idea
-Now you just sold yourself out and made it look like you have no clue what's going on, we've long since moved past the hider circle discussion.
well i dont think he should be lynch for that reason alone but i just realized his recent play and that plur shift is definitively what scum would do. reason being because he lynch then unlynch because he didnt want to see scummy. i see it a way he tried to to do and not be scummy. but i would like to know why did that? also the fact it was so early its not like you arent in a rush @epic So you're saying that scum wouldn't plurshift? Imo your reasoning for you thinking he's town goes both ways. i feel that some people are just dont want those 2 players which seems to be the main scum reads to stay in the game which makes sense rather then thinking there Actually scum to a certain extend. I cannot read/understand this post at all BGB. Could you make a better effort to make your posts readable? Also, what's your reasoning for this? (unless I'm interpreting this post wrong due to poor grammar/spelling) Overall, going through BGB's posts, they seem of quite low quality to me. They seem quite forced, and he doesn't tend to go over them like at all. (e.g. Him calling out "scorrching" for plurshifting onto self; but was actually EC, calling out xnad for inactivity and the quote above ((no reasoning/poor quality))). The way he's defending EC quite a lot rubs me weirdly, and also that he's trying to call out/directing attention to Scorrching as scum because of anything at all, really. (e.g. "What is this bus driver circle i saw scrooch did some post about but i just got lazy and skiped over it since it seem like nonsencce") And due to all of this; lynch bluegummybear
-I agree with the low qual posts but is the poor grammar the deal breaker here?
Also Champ sure, scum not knowing what we r doing is beneficial, but if we don't know what we are doing then what's the point? Also about Xnad's point although 3 on screamers would be fine, there's no need for it we have other roles that can stop maf stopping the switch. Also let me just bring up something I said in my first post. Thankfully, talliers do not work the way I suggested they could work AKA THEY CAN'T BE REDIRECTED They just target people on the lynch that was successful, not they get to target any lynch (even one's that didn't go through). That's how they work in Si apparently, but snaq changed it for balance. Now, let me stop breaking game mechanics and actually start scum hunting.
For+ getting on epic creeper and staying on + not doing anything his whole game (life). Also a worthless player so it's fine to lynch
-Look I can get behind a good old salt lynch but what is the intent here? Do you want people to sheep you or do you want to prove a point?
And, in order to get more high quality reads, I would like you to give me your opinion on EpicCreeper X ScorrchingTheaph. And any further reads, if you have any. Ok, so if the quote thing looks weird (cause it does on my screen whilst typing) then soz. Ok, So scorch vs Epic. Epic seems like more of bad town than scum This may just be player meta coming through, and I do see reasons for lynching epic (the nl, him not really contributing/trying to prove himself as town, his nl reasoning of it was a meme when beforehand he said it was a mistake) but i'm struggling to find anything malicious in it. Also I doubt scum r willing to draw themselves this much attention before night has even begun. Scorrching= Weak Sr Their activity seems forced, their Oracle circle idea just seems like they copied hider circle idea and just changed hider to oracle because it gives them more merit. I can't get anything of more merit to have a stronger sr on them, but their activity, despite being a lot of activity, is just them responding to posts then producing a bad idea and going "at least i'm putting forward ideas unlike EC" Champ= Weak Tr They have been putting forward ideas, scum hunting and haven't done anything yet to make me doubt them otherwise (I'm not willing to have strong tr's rn because it's just d1) Ftf= Trolling town TALK ForgotToFlush yeah,i tagged u. Deal with it. Everyone else is null rn, but I will say bgb and aknolan seem like they're reluctant to discuss (btw trolling town does not mean I tr ftf, i'm just saying this is probs what they r but in reality they are just null). Also wake up fen, start talking again tyvm
lynch bgbin case anyone wants to last minute shift ig
Listen here fuckcunt, you can parade around all you want but at the end of the day, know that I'm not welcoming you, not in this life time. You're an absolute pain in the ass and you don't seem to understand just how irrelevant you are. Stop forcing your obnoxious presence down everyone's throat and fuck off. Nobody has any problems with you, because nobody can be assed to bother with you.
WAIT NO I BLEEPING CYBERBULLIED HIM OH NOOOOOOOOOO
SNAQ YOU'RE A BLEEPING RO DO SOEMTHING TO SAVE HIM FROM THIS VERBAL ABUSE HE MIGHT CRY AHHHHHHH
ANYWAYS
Now that I got that out of the way I can push forward some key details
- A large majority of you have seemed to miss the point, I had to sit down and sift through this mess of a game and I could not find much substance. While most of you haven't seemed to improve there is a small quality increase so there is that to look forward to.
-I'm not hiding anything in terms of this lynch. Regardless of his flip, know exactly how I feel and why I'm lynching him.
-The simpler this game becomes, the easier it is to win, that's why I'm looking less at the roles.
-The bus driver circle should 100% take place tonight, I'll be doing my part for the very least.
BYEEEEE
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 0:13:58 GMT
AHHHHHHHHH I DID A GOOD THING AHHHHHHHH
ANYWAYS WRITING A RESPONSE POST NOW TTYL ILY BYEEEE xoxoxoxo
~FTF
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 0:25:41 GMT
wait when the fuck did ftf vote bgb??????
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 0:51:19 GMT
First I responded to a ton of Fen's stuff and that mfer goes and gets himself DEAD, I'll iso his shit later and see if there's any salvageable info in regards to his night action plan.interesting. I have to go now but I'll have a think about interactions and the like later
Alright, I survived. Yay. EpicCreeper flipping scum. Town, I have never been more proud. Why wasn't Scorr or me were killed, I have no idea. I had actually anticipated one of us dying, because I was spam posting and did semi-lynch EpicCreeper, while Scorr was the parallel wagon to EpicCreeper. Fenrir's death however, is still explainable since he was one to lynch to EpicCreeper. Lynch VigilanteVigorothThis is not the perfect lynch for the day, I'm pushing them because I would like to hear more from them, because they were one of the people who lynched ScorrhingTheaph, essentially attempting to create a counter-wagon on them. As for why I am not lynching XnadrojX is because of reasons I'm not sharing. And mind you, coming up with fake reasons would be way easier, but I'm hiding it because I would like to disclose them afterwards. As for the condition in where I die, they will provide you the reasons.
-I don't know why you think Fenrir is a plausible night kill candidate over the guy who literally had no solid reason for it. If anything it implicates me as scum/
-Nice run around 2 liner saying that you want to pressure VigVig.
-Cut the vague shit, it's unnecessary. There are plenty of night kill targets, and based on the roles available, it doesn't make sense trying to protect one.
(Insert dazzling bah post) Gl to y'all ^_^
o7 you brave soulOk. Most important thing tomorrow night. We NEED someone to switch screamer. I doubt the role I used was switched, or that both vet and I were roleblocked, so Obviously we didn’t stop the screamer Rude champ Looks liek my Oracle wifom was too stronk so I was not nightkilled. I would also like to say that I did not use an inspection role.
Here are some of reads:
Champ: town.
Aknolan: town lean. intelligent posts and has been paying attention to the game.
FTFlush: town. lynched EC and did not get off. I don't see him bussing D1 when the reasoning for his lynch is essentially "policy."
BGB: neutral. jumped on EC lynch, but it was pretty clear that he was getting lynched anyways. EC attempted to shift plur onto BGB, but I read that as NAI since scum would still be willing to shift last minute to a scumbuddy.
Ok. Most important thing tomorrow night. We NEED someone to switch screamer. I doubt the role I used was switched, or that both vet and I were roleblocked, so Obviously we didn’t stop the screamer
Rereading and my current scumpool is bored, vigvig, cseel.
lynch cseel
-Good point about the whole inspection not being fool proof past screamer switch thing. Begs the question as to whether VigVig will continue to call you discussing the counter strategies counter productive.
FTF, considering how much of a mess that post is, I'm not going to quote it, and because I'm not sure which parts are things you've said and which parts aren't, I'm not going to respond to the parts I'm confused about right now. What I am going to say is that while reading through what I had missed while I was unable to get online for that day, I saw something about hider circles. And I decided that it was probably a good idea to point out how that is actually a terrible idea that can only really hurt town, to make sure nobody tried and ended up dying because of it. So you can say it looks like I have no clue what's going on, but I do. I just have to catch up to 24 hours of posts every time I say something, so for someone who is online more often that may seem like I am out of the loop. Anyways, aside from that someone asked me why I didn't lynch which was quite simple, besides the fact that I don't actually lynch often (mostly because I lose track of time and don't realize it's going to be deadline) there was also the no more than 3 lynches on a person thing, and that meant I could choose between risking epic not getting lynched when he was the closest thing I had to a scumread, breaking the 3 lynches rule, and lynching someone else who was 100% not getting lynched. none of those are useful options
Also I commuted out of fear like a little bitch.
No. Vanillizing as town is risky and puts us into situations where it becomes easy for scum to outplay us. Vanillizing has more cons and pros so I would not use it. Sure, it simplifies night actions, but simplifying night actions is not exactly pro-town.
>I want to lower the complexity limit of this entire scenario, and then we'll have a game more dependent on reads and shit, not just what happened for what role, because there's minimal chance in the setup that we can trust roles and the info they give. That's just natural.
Bus Driver ellipse does not lower the complexity of the entire scenario. Sure, there's a chance that info roles can be misled by scum actions, but info is still info. More information, even if there is a chance of it being faulty, does not hurt town. As long as town is not doing something dumb like Vanillize/Loverboy/Nympho/Suicide Bomb, I do agree that we should follow reads more than info.
>Discussion doesn't hurt town, bad discussion hurts town, there's an awful lot of that going on
Flaming does not help town, and there is an awful lot coming from you. Please chill.
>The simpler this game becomes, the easier it is to win, that's why I'm looking less at the roles.
nO. ur wrOng. we must increase the compleXity of the gaim or else le scums will simply outplai us. luckil-e for us, scum are dumbdumbs and only did a single nightkil last nite. they could've killed up to 5 dudes but nO they didn't lul. rof scum u dum. it's true b/c it rhymes. u can't deny it. while the moofiaz are playing checcers, the town will be playing 5-dismenshunal chess. before scum knows what hit them, they will be chekm8'ed. ez gaim gg no re town wins. The moar compleX the gaim becomes, the easier it is to tricc the mafa. i do agreed dat we shuld look less at the roals. A top tier strat wuold be 2 randomly choose ur action so scum cannot even begin to predonk ur move. if u a mlg prO u can even randomize ur target(s). scum u should duble-white-falg now becuz u have 0% chance of winning.
-What the fuck even is that last part???
"Why didn't I lynch" Is it a legal requirement to lynch? Do i have to lynch even if idk who I should lynch? Does it make me scummy or townie if I lynch? R we claiming actions or no Dislike this post. Gets really defensive over a question, and then doesn’t respond to anything else lynch Bored I’m really flip-flopped on Scorrching rn
THIS
LOL
HOLY FUCK
You ask an extremely brain dead question, get a pretty appropriate answer AND THEN JUDGE THE Q AS IF IT WAS A FUCKING REACTION TEST LMAAOOOOOO
BEST PART IS HE WASN'T EVEN DEFENSIVE HE WAS JUST CALLING YOU OUT ON YOUR BULLSHIT
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS HE THREW YOUR WAY
YOU ABSOLUTE JACKASS LMAOOOOOOOOOO
OK OK OK
If we wanna ignore the whole you being stupid as hell part and call it NAI for some fuc king reason then we can look at the rb'ed claims that I'm too lazy to try and explain to myself so I'm just gonna try and solve that shit with a brute force lynch.
Unvote BgB?,Vote VigVig
Yahhhh I'm gonna start ISO'ing everyone wish me luck frens and hopefully I scrape together something more concrete. But hey I'm not exactly opposed to this lynch so call it a win-win.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 1:02:18 GMT
For + getting on epic creeper and staying on + not doing anything his whole game (life). Also a worthless player so it's fine to lynch For + getting on epic creeper and staying on + not doing anything his whole game (life). Also a worthless player so it's fine to lynch You're lynching ForgotToFlush because they lynched EpicCreeper? Weak reasoning. I can accept them lurking as a reasoning to pressure them, if we combine it with them lynching on EpicCreeper. But then there's Fenrir too, who is abnormally inactive, and has also lynched EpicCreeper. Why not Fenrir, then? And the last line suggests that your lynch is a policy lynch. What conditions do you have which allows us to lynch ForgotToFlush for policy reasons? And on a side note, their results on subjects like Maths and Physics were pretty good, so they seem to do pretty good in life. And thus for reasons said above, this lynch seems to be on their personal emotion. I want you to prove me wrong.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 8, 2017 3:29:36 GMT
Bored:
1:Confirm post
2:Questions turbo, setup speculation, only thing of note being his outright refusal to seraph knight (at least seraph knight me man COME ON)
NAI, considering that the major reads related questions and concerns are bland and unhelpful. If he's town he's idiotic. If he's scum he's a basic bitch
3:Explains seraph knight dislike
NAI
4:Wifom, Complaints, Obvious statements, setup discussion. Nothing but FILLER
Scummy ass post
5:Filler
6:Setup discussion, not the good kind either. Ehhh I'll call it more filler
7:Bitchy complaint post, something about some response or the other that i don't have context for that just turns out to be one big mess.
scummy because of all the goddamned complaining. Like I'd be fine with it if you offered some actual fucking substance between the complaints
8: Ignoring the reads for a sec, why the fuck do you think it's some sort of accomplishment to tag me. Chill tf out lmao. Also you think I'm town but you don't TR me,,,,,
Looking at the reads now, I don't know just how much I disagree or agree with them but I will say that the reasons seem weak from a glance. The null read thing also looks whack asf
NAI
9:The famed VigVig response post that might just be your saving grace. Too bad you ruined it by asking for fucking claim initiative validations. Fucking spineless gg
Townie
10:Now this is just him actually getting defensive when he's trying to say that he isn't defensive.
Scummy
Verdict: This might just be a low confidence user who has the pressure on him because he's in a high pressure position, which has me leaning towards a scum-read on this fuck. HOWEVER, due to VigVig's handling of the situation I'd wanna see Viggy flip instead. However-er if you wanna get technical and shit you can ignore my d1 lynch, assume me as scum and call this a simultaneous bus and chainsaw manoeuvre, Russian acrobat style. Meh.
Aknolan
1: Confirm post
2:Bitchy complaint post/really vague, albeit thought provoking setup discussion
NAI
3:More complaining, mafia philosophy discussion (lmao), setup discussion that is again, important in this particular instance
NAI
4:Update on reads, signifying an evolving process, signifying thought
Townie
5:Nowwwww we get lost a bit. Dude shows no clue as to what is going on, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since the post is a fucking mess
NAI
6:Gamesolve attempts, and a nice inquiry to the specifics of the roleblocking
Townie
Verdict: Townie, but lazy townie. Keep him out of the lylo for the love of God
VigVig
1:Pregame shit
2:Confirm post
3:Condescending bullshit that makes me laugh when I remember how young you are
Scummy
4:This fucking rabbit hole of a discussion topic that I already talked about in my wallrepost soooooo look at that
Frustrated Townie? Not a very good one either
5:See 4
6:Calls out scorch in his previous post for filler then proceeds to filler with a pretty empty question. Like I doubt you're ever gonna bother using Seraph Knight, and in addition your questioning the dude on his opinion on a role.
Scummy
7:See 4, but he directs some shit towards EC, but I don't think I saw him using any information gained in order to make decisions. This ordinarily isn't that bad, but considering that he tried to instigate a counter wagon, I'll call it fluff activity.
Scummy
8:More attempts to be condescending that makes it look like you have a stick up your ass. It's also fun that the main message in my wallpost, which most certainly applies to you, went completely ignored by you. Curious. Then you have a really weird and bare read list
Scummy
9:Activity indicator
10:Now he's just casting the blanket on Scorch's post. More importantly it's more of what he's already said but less of what he needs to realize. See 4.
11:Reiterating something that he already said. See 4
12:Some setup discussion that has him TAKING THE SAME DISCUSSION STANCE AS SCORCH LOL
Scummy
13:Filler
14:Uhhh clearing up of small details? Benefit of the doubt ig
15: Activity indicator
16: Night action plan
NAI
17: see 14
18:Role used
19:Nothing important
20:Association observations
Townie
21:see 19
22: see 21
23:Filler
24:Mild passive aggressive buddying,and a big misunderstanding of the tallier suggestion
NAI
25: Realization
NAI
26:More condescending bullshit but ohhhh boy you're gonna like me even less after you read that wallpost. Anyways you remember seeing half of it bc I said a lot of it already but ain't any of y'all fucks listenin
NAI
27:This bullshit. Absolute bullshit. See earlier wallpost
Scummy
28:Reiterations. Literally one medium sized reiteration
NAI
29:And weak read
Verdict: Scummy as hell imo but depending on his flip then I know how to feel about Bored. For someone who likes saying that other people are fillering, you surreeeeeee do like fillering a lot.
Xnad
1:Pregame
2:Pregame
3:Confirm post
4:Crude yet valid statement about mafia's abilities, really meh compliance
NAI
5:Pointless discussion, bordering on filler at this point
Scummy
6:Some clearing up of details here and there, again nothing special
NAI
7:Filler
8:Activity indicator
9:Lmao wtf. Weird lynch aside, more of the same theme. I would sr hm for it specifically but fucking everyone has been doing this weak ass discussion bullshit.
NAI atm
10:Nothing important
11:and this fucking rvs vote lmao
Verdict: Not a lot substance, but because of tone and shit I can't say anything definitive.
Megan
3 fucking pages i stg
1:Confirm post
2: The plan that nobody really cared about. More like a loose guideline.
NAI, considering that all strategies presented are manageable for scum
3:High horse-high road bullshit, wifom bullshit that's tiring and annoying since it's mixed between all these fucking paragraphs. Like you do realize how many conversations you're starting with this bullshit, how much game time you're wasting this bullshit, how much thought people are putting into this bullshit, so on and so forth
Annoying town
4:Defiant stance taken on controversial issue. Worth noting that neither of them were on epic creeper
Townish
5:Wifom out the ass,valid statement about continued underestimation (a recurring theme), evidence for views, as well as a disconnect between this post and the post about not lynching Xnad
Scummy
6:Over eager bullshit I don't care about, more annoying wifom, but less scummy than 5, valid analysis statement of the psychology of scum
NAI
7:Setup discussion that points out screamer
NAI
8:More over eager bullshit that pisses me off because there's just a whole lotta fucking nothing
NAI
9:Small detail discussion, annoying but not scummy
NAI
10:see 9
11:Consequences of over eager bullshit observed.
12:Interesting perspective
Townie
13:see previous wallpost
14:Now some actual substance that again deals with the continued underestimation
Townie
15:Activity indicator
16:Pointless response to a wifom idea, too longwinded and detailed to be labeled as filler
17:Nothing Important
18:see 17
19:Just a fucking mess that I can't be assed to read at this point
20:Seriously condescending bullshit
Scummy
21:Really contrived post, huge over-steppping of boundaries
Scummy
22:More over-reaching bullshit, shadow casting, more annoying than anything
Scummy
23:Effort to progress past a conflict of beliefs. Could be scum trying to save face but....
Townie
24:Huge Over step once again that was completely un-required and not really that helpful. This post would be necessary if people actually sheeped this fucking salt lynch
Scummy
25:Some fucking dispute over technicalities but with some decent statements thrown in
Townie
26: Over eager bullshit, wifom out the ass, same old same old, contrived lynch reason is the one that interests me
Scummy
27: Effort to gamesolve, spreading pressure
Townie
28:Interesting association discussion
Townie
29:Adherence to aforementioned guidelines
NAI
30:Over reaching onceeee moreeee
Scummy, get the fuck off my back
31:see 27
32:Defiant stance on controversial topic
Townie
33:AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, OVER REACHING. How many times are you gonna inject yourself into situations where it isn't required?
Verdict: A bloody pain in the ass. NK her before I suicide bomb
Vet
1:Pregame
2:Hello
3:Initiation of discussion
NAI
4:Basic Bitch read, Basic Bitch question
NAI since everyone and their mother is guilty of this (see first wallpost)
5+6:Scenario and conclusion, but we're lacking in the conclusion department
Townie
7:nice lynch nerd
8:Salt lynch op
9:Nothing important
10:reiteration
NAI
Verdict: yeah that's it. Prob town ig but this shit is weak af dude
FTF
1:Pregame shit
2:Policy lynch
3:Actions and shit
4:Really shitty setup discussion
5:random response that i don't even remember writing holy shit
6:Lazy fuckass lmao
7:Activity indicator
8:First big shitpost you fucking jackass lmao your reads suck
9:FILLER. THROW THE BOOK AT HIM. HANG HANG HANG
10:SECOND OFFENSE
11:Activity (or lack thereof) indicator
12:Yet another pointless activity indicator leading up to a fucking deadline, gj jackass
13:see 12
14:bbCode on mobile is a bitch
15:Minor clarification
16:THIRD OFFENSE
17:Took too goddamn long with that repost bitchcunt
18:Where's the quality you promised motherfucker
19: FOURTH OFFENSE
20:R E P O S T
21:Activity indicator, guess we're back to those
22:Apparently my bbCode fuck up made it look like I lynched bgb
23:Third wallpost that's prob shittier than the first 2
24:and this jackass is trynna pick a fucking fight for no reason smh
Verdict: Don't let FTF get distracted by the bright lights and make sure he takes his meds. Make sure he's in bed by 8 and if you need me then call me, the number is on the fridge.
Scorch
1:In post
2:Confirm post
3: Cleanest rvs in the goddamned game
4:Setup discussion
NAI
5:Action list
NAI
6:Satire
Townie
7:More setup discussion
NAI
8:More of this dis-agreeance and conflicts of beliefs and shit. See second wallpost
9:Setup discussion
NAI
10:Heavy Handed satire that makes the post seem defensive, more setup discussion
Scummy
11:Filler
12:Clarification
13:Lengthened clarification
14:More pointless discussion
15:Whole lotta nothing
16:weird shit directed at ec, self deprecation, an entire section towards vet, so basically a series of responses that are neither heads nor tails
NAI
17:Some dense shit, weird ass plurshift
NAI
18:Nothing important
19:Wagon analysis, reads, setup discussion
Townie
20:Vague setup discussion
Scummy
21:Clarification
NAI
22:Dedicated response post that ends with shit I can't even comprehend
NAI
23:Setup discussion
Verdict : .-.
cseel
1:in post
2: confirm post
3:boring pointless discussion, agrees with circle plan but does not assist in fleshing it out
Scummy
4: 2 days later we have some slightly fruitful discussion
5:double reminder of the dl makes me sus af, otherwise we have some pretty pointless setup discussion
NAI
Verdict: .-. x2
bgb
1:in post
2:confirm post
3:Basic Bitch read, semi interesting setup discussion
NAI
4:Reaffirmation
Townie
5:Clarification
6:Semi interesting perspective phrased in the least verbose way possible
Townie
7:>ACTIVITY QUESTIONS
8:illegible shit
9: indication of someone not paying attention
NAI
10:Basic Bitch read
NAI
11:continued pressure
12:Basic Bitch response to Vet
13:good lord the fuck am i even reading anymore
Verdict: Town
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