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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 20, 2020 8:55:33 GMT
Spiderz has already confirmed that we can, indeed, read your messages, so here's something I'd like to offer as advice: Say as much on your mind as possible. It's much easier to sort through your thoughts when they're spaced across fewer posts as opposed to creating new ones for one-line thoughts or questions. No pressure, you can spend 10 minutes writing something up. We have 48 hours, and that's a lot of time to get things fleshed out. Don't feel urged to have to post something every now and then, just talk to us whenever you have something to say or you want something cleared up. On this note, do you have any reads or feelings towards the game? Does anyone seem like they might be town or scum? If so, who and why? pls ignore the fact that i just posted two replies in separate postsWeird post, looks like you are posting to just post, by giving him basic advice then asking super basic questions that have meaningless answers this early in the game, leaning this as more of a bad townie move then a scum trying to look active rn though. Actually, remove the FoS on Spiderz. I quite like this post. Which begs the question, why do you think it's more of a bad townie than scum? Cyan Talon started to call out on Cayden's inactivity even when more than half of the players have yet to say their opening words. In my eyes, it genuinely seems like Cyan Talon is just trying to look as town as possible without actively trying to scumhunt. |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 20, 2020 8:56:55 GMT
Lynch Cyan Talon
Lynching this slot for now.
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 20, 2020 9:05:06 GMT
I could see why you think there would be no benefit to it, but I think it's more of narrowing down your options for lynches by having some very soft TRs. There's not much to go off yet and putting your thoughts out there helps get the ball rolling (as is sort of happening right now). This!!! Not gonna say i townlean/read skyfig but they 100% should not be the lynch today. also cayden yes we can see your post. This could just be worded awkwardly (blurb was a scumlean as much as me but not mentioned and i didn't feel like i was gonna be lynched yet anyway) but the line feels a bit weird to me bc of how sure you are on not lynching me today plus singling me out. sorta makes me feel like if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me. unless i'm just reading into this with the wrong idea? Spiderz has already confirmed that we can, indeed, read your messages, so here's something I'd like to offer as advice: Say as much on your mind as possible. It's much easier to sort through your thoughts when they're spaced across fewer posts as opposed to creating new ones for one-line thoughts or questions. No pressure, you can spend 10 minutes writing something up. We have 48 hours, and that's a lot of time to get things fleshed out. Don't feel urged to have to post something every now and then, just talk to us whenever you have something to say or you want something cleared up. On this note, do you have any reads or feelings towards the game? Does anyone seem like they might be town or scum? If so, who and why? pls ignore the fact that i just posted two replies in separate postsWeird post, looks like you are posting to just post, by giving him basic advice then asking super basic questions that have meaningless answers this early in the game, leaning this as more of a bad townie move then a scum trying to look active rn though. Found what sfl said here pretty NAI, plus I'm pretty sure most of the PL knows that activity =/= towniness |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 20, 2020 9:39:08 GMT
it's time to tryhard, fam how did we get 2 eblurbs in the same game? What makes you say that everyone who dispensed townreads early in this game is an insta-scum? That is clearly not what I said. I scumlean everyone who townread another person early in the game with the sole reasoning being that the other person also formulated a townread early in the game. Yeah i'm not following at all, care explaining? Maybe I should have made an ironic post saying "tr everyone making tr early game," so I don't need to spell this out. player A: tr player 1 player B: tr player A, they made tr early game player C: tr player B, they made tr early game Do you see how rworded this is? This chain of bs reads and free towncred had the potential to continue into a shitpost fest. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 20, 2020 9:57:31 GMT
Hey guys, hope that you have been having an amazing day. y-you too First things first, everyday starting day two, everyone please hypo. The odds aren't high, but either tracker can be killed any night. There is absolutely no downsides to it, and I would rather have everyone hypo. I am on board with hypo, but I think it should be known that there is a slight downside (although of course benefits outweigh the costs). It is possible for a non-tracker to fake a result that the mafia knows is fake, which will confirm that player as non-tracker to the mafia, ergo increasing the probability that mafia can kill a real tracker by randshotting. I'm not sure if I am explaining that clearly so here is an example: Night One~ Player 1(Mafia Goon): kill Player B Day Two~ Player III(Vanilla Townie): [hypo] tracked Player 1 and targetted no one Now, the mafia know that Player III is not tracker so the next night they have a higher chance of killing a tracker because they have 1 less potential target. |
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 20, 2020 10:04:06 GMT
i didn't feel like i was gonna be lynched yet if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me Why so paranoid? |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 10:22:41 GMT
Weird post, looks like you are posting to just post, by giving him basic advice then asking super basic questions that have meaningless answers this early in the game, leaning this as more of a bad townie move then a scum trying to look active rn though. Actually, remove the FoS on Spiderz. I quite like this post. Which begs the question, why do you think it's more of a bad townie than scum? Cyan Talon started to call out on Cayden's inactivity even when more than half of the players have yet to say their opening words. In my eyes, it genuinely seems like Cyan Talon is just trying to look as town as possible without actively trying to scumhunt. There is nothing scummy about explaining an optimal way to play to a new player, and doing so is NAI, as both scum and town have motives to do so (look like you're helping town vs helping town). SRing based of off this post is pretty baseless as it isn't even too game-related. Slight fos on spiderz. Also, unless AZ-spiderz is a traitor-goon interaction, idt they're a scumteam because, because scum a) wouldn't sr their scumpartner immediately to retract that sr and b) this positive interaction between az and spiderz isn't particularly typical of scum in the early game (although b) is weaker than a) ) It is also worth pointing out that AZ claims cyan calls out cayden's inactivity, which isn't true, as cyan simply said not to be inactive (as newbies often are since they're overwhelmed), which is straw man and also makes me sl AZ since there was already a little bit of momentum on cyan and this is a way to hop on and seem like they're not just sheeping (I.e. fake read). Still, unless it's a traitor-goon interaction, idt AZ and spiderz are a scumteam. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 10:31:12 GMT
/\/\@f1@9001\1554yvv|-|A+ uwot |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 10:33:37 GMT
I could see why you think there would be no benefit to it, but I think it's more of narrowing down your options for lynches by having some very soft TRs. There's not much to go off yet and putting your thoughts out there helps get the ball rolling (as is sort of happening right now). This!!! Not gonna say i townlean/read skyfig but they 100% should not be the lynch today. also cayden yes we can see your post. Posting general tips for playing well as town doesn't warrant a tr. I'm going to provisionally Vote Spiderz until I find something better. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 10:34:53 GMT
After years of studying mafia, it has become clear to me that the optimal strategy in this game is to Lynch ToiletBro2REEEEEEEE |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 10:39:08 GMT
i didn't feel like i was gonna be lynched yet if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me Why so paranoid? That has nothing to do with paranoia. sky is clearly responding to spiderz' post (which I've alrdy commented on) with due scepticism. It tends to help to read before you post. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 10:43:24 GMT
Lastly it's definitely worth commenting on the tr stuff that was happenning at the beginning, which is NAI, insofar as it could easily be composed of all town, all but 1 town, some town some scum, although probably not all (or most) scum since that takes too much preparation for something so risky. As such, aside from like blurb since he was the first one to post, I'd say reading purely based off of that is too swingy and risky. As for blurb, townlean for coming into the game usefully.
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 11:29:41 GMT
Hey guys, hope that you have been having an amazing day. First things first, everyday starting day two, everyone please hypo. The odds aren't high, but either tracker can be killed any night. There is absolutely no downsides to it, and I would rather have everyone hypo. Secondly, TRing Blurb for trying it make a TR early into game even if his read is completely NAI (although this can be a blurb traitor and skyfig mafia interaction but i kinda doubt) anyways Lynch ToniNup. I fail to see how NAI TR'ing someone is towny. Their reads is akin to a RVS, except instead of voting someone scum it's voting someone town. And if I were to be pessimistic, NAI TR'ing is more of a scummove; just saying "I TR X" does no scumhunting but still gives you towncred? Even if I were to ignore all this, this chain past the second person just becomes increasingly scummy. FoS on Spiderz. I could see why you think there would be no benefit to it, but I think it's more of narrowing down your options for lynches by having some very soft TRs. There's not much to go off yet and putting your thoughts out there helps get the ball rolling (as is sort of happening right now). As I've mentioned in my previous point, the TRs are based on NAI aren't exactly useful because they will change. I don't think it'll positively help us narrow it down. But it most certainly did help us start a good discussion, so there's that. Your misunderstanding what i'm saying, the reasoning that blurb had on skyfig being town was NAI Weird post, looks like you are posting to just post, by giving him basic advice then asking super basic questions that have meaningless answers this early in the game, leaning this as more of a bad townie move then a scum trying to look active rn though. Actually, remove the FoS on Spiderz. I quite like this post. Which begs the question, why do you think it's more of a bad townie than scum? Cyan Talon started to call out on Cayden's inactivity even when more than half of the players have yet to say their opening words. In my eyes, it genuinely seems like Cyan Talon is just trying to look as town as possible without actively trying to scumhunt. Playermeta, check out last summer circuit with me and cyan for more context This!!! Not gonna say i townlean/read skyfig but they 100% should not be the lynch today. also cayden yes we can see your post. This could just be worded awkwardly (blurb was a scumlean as much as me but not mentioned and i didn't feel like i was gonna be lynched yet anyway) but the line feels a bit weird to me bc of how sure you are on not lynching me today plus singling me out. sorta makes me feel like if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me. unless i'm just reading into this with the wrong idea? Weird post, looks like you are posting to just post, by giving him basic advice then asking super basic questions that have meaningless answers this early in the game, leaning this as more of a bad townie move then a scum trying to look active rn though. Found what sfl said here pretty NAI, plus I'm pretty sure most of the PL knows that activity =/= towniness It's because your generating alignment indicative discussion but based on what you've said so far you are still smack in the middle for me, meaning your not a good lynch today. You follow? it's time to tryhard, fam how did we get 2 eblurbs in the same game? What makes you say that everyone who dispensed townreads early in this game is an insta-scum? That is clearly not what I said. I scumlean everyone who townread another person early in the game with the sole reasoning being that the other person also formulated a townread early in the game. Yeah i'm not following at all, care explaining? Maybe I should have made an ironic post saying "tr everyone making tr early game," so I don't need to spell this out. player A: tr player 1 player B: tr player A, they made tr early game player C: tr player B, they made tr early game Do you see how rworded this is? This chain of bs reads and free towncred had the potential to continue into a shitpost fest. Yeah thats fair, but like literally I TR'd blurb because I can see him being Eager to play the game which I just dont see from Scum blurb, and TR's are usually serious compared to if he said it was an SR. We didn't all have the same line of reasoning + I could never see scum blurb go for an early game pocket. Actually, remove the FoS on Spiderz. I quite like this post. Which begs the question, why do you think it's more of a bad townie than scum? Cyan Talon started to call out on Cayden's inactivity even when more than half of the players have yet to say their opening words. In my eyes, it genuinely seems like Cyan Talon is just trying to look as town as possible without actively trying to scumhunt. There is nothing scummy about explaining an optimal way to play to a new player, and doing so is NAI, as both scum and town have motives to do so (look like you're helping town vs helping town). SRing based of off this post is pretty baseless as it isn't even too game-related. Slight fos on spiderz. Also, unless AZ-spiderz is a traitor-goon interaction, idt they're a scumteam because, because scum a) wouldn't sr their scumpartner immediately to retract that sr and b) this positive interaction between az and spiderz isn't particularly typical of scum in the early game (although b) is weaker than a) ) It is also worth pointing out that AZ claims cyan calls out cayden's inactivity, which isn't true, as cyan simply said not to be inactive (as newbies often are since they're overwhelmed), which is straw man and also makes me sl AZ since there was already a little bit of momentum on cyan and this is a way to hop on and seem like they're not just sheeping (I.e. fake read). Still, unless it's a traitor-goon interaction, idt AZ and spiderz are a scumteam. How the fuck do you contradict yourself so hard in 1 sentence. You say there is nothing scummy about it and then PROCEED TO SAY THAT IT IS NAI BECAUSE BOTH SCUM AND TOWN HAVE MOTIVES TO DO IT. YES both town and scum have motives to do it, which is why I SAID I read it as bad townie (because town realistically has no reason to do something like that) as opposed to scum. So its not even NAI, because it literally does Indicate his alignment, you can find almost anything to be townie motivate and scum motivated if you look hard enough. This!!! Not gonna say i townlean/read skyfig but they 100% should not be the lynch today. also cayden yes we can see your post. Posting general tips for playing well as town doesn't warrant a tr. I'm going to provisionally Vote Spiderz until I find something better. It wasn't even a general tip, how was what skyfig said a general tip. I literally said i didn't TR them so why are you saying I did. Your perception is so weird. I cant tell if you are looking into things too deep and warping what they are saying to fit your narrative because you are trying too hard to scumhunt or if you want to see people from the game gone this fast. That has nothing to do with paranoia. sky is clearly responding to spiderz' post (which I've alrdy commented on) with due scepticism. It tends to help to read before you post. No their is clear paranoia from skyfig that that post is painting a Me + SkyFig scumteam if you read "sorta makes me feel like if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me." not only that you also kinda blocked scorr trying to scumread to do ur own bullshit which is ?_? unvote toni vote tb2 since ur warping literally everything to fit your own narrative. Its either that are your bad townie trying hard to look like they know what they are talking about because you can spew out buzzwords which is also believable knowing you, don't tell someone "It tends to help to read before you post." when you've ignored everything everyone has been truly saying thus far its really hypocritical and it makes you look like a prick |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 12:07:04 GMT
hi everyone glhf!! lynch gary the savage for not posting start of day scumpool btw Sorry I need my sleep :/. I've read through what has been said so far and I kinda find it odd with all the immediate tr's on basically anyone active. Not gonna immediately call anyone that has done such scum though. Lynch dudeplayz225 out of complete rvs for now. |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 12:27:21 GMT
hi everyone glhf!! lynch gary the savage for not posting start of day scumpool btw Sorry I need my sleep :/. I've read through what has been said so far and I kinda find it odd with all the immediate tr's on basically anyone active. Not gonna immediately call anyone that has done such scum though. Lynch dudeplayz225 out of complete rvs for now. saying its rvs defeats the purpose of rvs :^) |
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Post by AlmostZero on Jun 20, 2020 12:33:07 GMT
I am on board with hypo, but I think it should be known that there is a slight downside (although of course benefits outweigh the costs). It is possible for a non-tracker to fake a result that the mafia knows is fake, which will confirm that player as non-tracker to the mafia, ergo increasing the probability that mafia can kill a real tracker by randshotting. I'm not sure if I am explaining that clearly so here is an example: Night One~ Player 1(Mafia Goon): kill Player B Day Two~ Player III(Vanilla Townie): [hypo] tracked Player 1 and targetted no one Now, the mafia know that Player III is not tracker so the next night they have a higher chance of killing a tracker because they have 1 less potential target. Nice catch. I didn't think of it this way. There's a contrary solution where we can choose the towniest player and go from there, but that's another mess of its own, which given the current state of the game, isn't exactly ideal. But eitherway, I believe we should still go forward with the hypo plan. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Jun 20, 2020 12:37:19 GMT
Saying it's rvs doesn't necessarily defeat the purpose of it because most people aren't even gonna react given one lynch. In the case the wagon were to begin to gain traction such as 2-3 more lynches, it allows for understanding of a potential reaction/ interactions between players on/off of the lynch and reads formatted by those trs/srs they have on the player and those reads made of the players on them specifically. Granted, it's been explained now, however a reaction still will occur in the case of traction.
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Post by ScorrchingTheaph on Jun 20, 2020 12:44:35 GMT
/\/\@f1@9001\1554yvv|-|A+ uwot /\/\@f1@ = Mafia 9001\15 = goons 54y = say vv|-|A+ = what uwot = you what
Alright bruhs it's a wrap. Lynch ToiletBro2 |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 12:45:34 GMT
I am on board with hypo, but I think it should be known that there is a slight downside (although of course benefits outweigh the costs). It is possible for a non-tracker to fake a result that the mafia knows is fake, which will confirm that player as non-tracker to the mafia, ergo increasing the probability that mafia can kill a real tracker by randshotting. I'm not sure if I am explaining that clearly so here is an example: Night One~ Player 1(Mafia Goon): kill Player B Day Two~ Player III(Vanilla Townie): [hypo] tracked Player 1 and targetted no one Now, the mafia know that Player III is not tracker so the next night they have a higher chance of killing a tracker because they have 1 less potential target. Nice catch. I didn't think of it this way. There's a contrary solution where we can choose the towniest player and go from there, but that's another mess of its own, which given the current state of the game, isn't exactly ideal. But eitherway, I believe we should still go forward with the hypo plan. Agreed |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 12:46:00 GMT
There is nothing scummy about explaining an optimal way to play to a new player, and doing so is NAI, as both scum and town have motives to do so (look like you're helping town vs helping town). SRing based of off this post is pretty baseless as it isn't even too game-related. Slight fos on spiderz. Also, unless AZ-spiderz is a traitor-goon interaction, idt they're a scumteam because, because scum a) wouldn't sr their scumpartner immediately to retract that sr and b) this positive interaction between az and spiderz isn't particularly typical of scum in the early game (although b) is weaker than a) ) It is also worth pointing out that AZ claims cyan calls out cayden's inactivity, which isn't true, as cyan simply said not to be inactive (as newbies often are since they're overwhelmed), which is straw man and also makes me sl AZ since there was already a little bit of momentum on cyan and this is a way to hop on and seem like they're not just sheeping (I.e. fake read). Still, unless it's a traitor-goon interaction, idt AZ and spiderz are a scumteam. How the fuck do you contradict yourself so hard in 1 sentence. You say there is nothing scummy about it and then PROCEED TO SAY THAT IT IS NAI BECAUSE BOTH SCUM AND TOWN HAVE MOTIVES TO DO IT. YES both town and scum have motives to do it, which is why I SAID I read it as bad townie (because town realistically has no reason to do something like that) as opposed to scum. So its not even NAI, because it literally does Indicate his alignment, you can find almost anything to be townie motivate and scum motivated if you look hard enough. NAI things aren't scummy. Town realistically has a reason to help newbies: they're easier to read if they're trying to play properly and be active, and there's an off chance they'll make a good read (and even making a meh read is better than blindly sheeping).Posting general tips for playing well as town doesn't warrant a tr. I'm going to provisionally Vote Spiderz until I find something better. It wasn't even a general tip, how was what skyfig said a general tip. I literally said i didn't TR them so why are you saying I did. Your perception is so weird. I cant tell if you are looking into things too deep and warping what they are saying to fit your narrative because you are trying too hard to scumhunt or if you want to see people from the game gone this fast. That's true I didn't think about that properly.That has nothing to do with paranoia. sky is clearly responding to spiderz' post (which I've alrdy commented on) with due scepticism. It tends to help to read before you post. No their is clear paranoia from skyfig that that post is painting a Me + SkyFig scumteam if you read "sorta makes me feel like if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me." not only that you also kinda blocked scorr trying to scumread to do ur own bullshit which is ?_? unvote toni vote tb2 since ur warping literally everything to fit your own narrative. Its either that are your bad townie trying hard to look like they know what they are talking about because you can spew out buzzwords which is also believable knowing you, don't tell someone "It tends to help to read before you post." when you've ignored everything everyone has been truly saying thus far its really hypocritical and it makes you look like a prick K well yh I deserve that. I didn't think about that line in terms of sky being sred if you flip scum, but as some other shit about reading your partners, and I don't really understand what I meant by that myself anymore. yh k I'm sry.(stuff in red is what I wrote because it's easier to address within the quote) |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Jun 20, 2020 12:48:56 GMT
I am on board with hypo, but I think it should be known that there is a slight downside (although of course benefits outweigh the costs). It is possible for a non-tracker to fake a result that the mafia knows is fake, which will confirm that player as non-tracker to the mafia, ergo increasing the probability that mafia can kill a real tracker by randshotting. I'm not sure if I am explaining that clearly so here is an example: Night One~ Player 1(Mafia Goon): kill Player B Day Two~ Player III(Vanilla Townie): [hypo] tracked Player 1 and targetted no one Now, the mafia know that Player III is not tracker so the next night they have a higher chance of killing a tracker because they have 1 less potential target. Nice catch. I didn't think of it this way. There's a contrary solution where we can choose the towniest player and go from there, but that's another mess of its own, which given the current state of the game, isn't exactly ideal. But eitherway, I believe we should still go forward with the hypo plan. OK I have trouble believing that this is not a fake reaction, because hypos have been around a looong time and that's always been a downside of them. It seems to me like AZ is pushing hypo as a towny strat for a bit of towncred and is now a little peeved that something is getting in the way of that. Unvote spiderz Vote AlmostZero. |
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 12:48:58 GMT
How the fuck do you contradict yourself so hard in 1 sentence. You say there is nothing scummy about it and then PROCEED TO SAY THAT IT IS NAI BECAUSE BOTH SCUM AND TOWN HAVE MOTIVES TO DO IT. YES both town and scum have motives to do it, which is why I SAID I read it as bad townie (because town realistically has no reason to do something like that) as opposed to scum. So its not even NAI, because it literally does Indicate his alignment, you can find almost anything to be townie motivate and scum motivated if you look hard enough. NAI things aren't scummy. Town realistically has a reason to help newbies: they're easier to read if they're trying to play properly and be active, and there's an off chance they'll make a good read (and even making a meh read is better than blindly sheeping).It wasn't even a general tip, how was what skyfig said a general tip. I literally said i didn't TR them so why are you saying I did. Your perception is so weird. I cant tell if you are looking into things too deep and warping what they are saying to fit your narrative because you are trying too hard to scumhunt or if you want to see people from the game gone this fast. That's true I didn't think about that properly.No their is clear paranoia from skyfig that that post is painting a Me + SkyFig scumteam if you read "sorta makes me feel like if you ever flip scum, this line esp is gonna come back to haunt me." not only that you also kinda blocked scorr trying to scumread to do ur own bullshit which is ?_? unvote toni vote tb2 since ur warping literally everything to fit your own narrative. Its either that are your bad townie trying hard to look like they know what they are talking about because you can spew out buzzwords which is also believable knowing you, don't tell someone "It tends to help to read before you post." when you've ignored everything everyone has been truly saying thus far its really hypocritical and it makes you look like a prick K well yh I deserve that. I didn't think about that line in terms of sky being sred if you flip scum, but as some other shit about reading your partners, and I don't really understand what I meant by that myself anymore. yh k I'm sry.(stuff in red is what I wrote because it's easier to address within the quote) @? can you tell me unironicly what you think of this post |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 20, 2020 12:49:24 GMT
god I forgot forums games was the place where people tryhard. that shit is probably gonna take like 40 minutes to read, ain’t nobody got time for that. lynch tb2 (bandwagoning) watch this post get over analyzed and I’ll be forced to write a 60 page essay on why I wasted my time doing this.
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Post by spiderz on Jun 20, 2020 12:50:43 GMT
god I forgot forums games was the place where people tryhard. that shit is probably gonna take like 40 minutes to read, ain’t nobody got time for that. lynch tb2 (bandwagoning) watch this post get over analyzed and I’ll be forced to write a 60 page essay on why I wasted my time doing this. Its deadass 2 pages |
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Post by micromorphic on Jun 20, 2020 12:51:08 GMT
just ping me if you want me to do something.
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