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Post by kliff on Aug 1, 2020 21:00:55 GMT
Garry's Townslip
Well I would like to say there no way Garry could be a scum with teammates otherwise this display would of probably never happen. It really seems like an town slip. But there always a possibility. If that was a intended fake town slip, then that just very dishonorable play/tactic. it literally cannot be a townslip they pretend to have different amounts of info in 2 consecutive posts
Your right, but it somewhere in the terms of that, Like an *Unintelligent Slip. Which would be something an Non-faction scum alignment would probably never display. Which would make me believe they are in the terms of bad town/ third party. This inst an key reasoning or anything, But I think it convince me to not lynch them day 1 until I have more information on them. |
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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 21:01:19 GMT
if this is a joke claim can you let us know asap, im honestly not sure I don't want to spend too long talking setup but I'm not exactly sure how the lightning rod cultist works (I've never seen anything like it), is it pretty much a n5 instawin for all converted people? vote chad[\b]If it was a joke I would not have used the word hard claim, also who claims survivor as a joke? What good would that do me. Quo did you actually think hmm why would chad do this or did you just kinda assume I was one of the neutral evil tpr's the monent you saw this? I think you are replying as you read and will get to my next post soon but I'll reply to this anyway. "hard claim" is very close to useless to me as a term to show that your claim is real. People "hard claim" a role they aren't actually planning to keep claiming reasonably often, as a joke or otherwise. I assumed very little about your claim the instant I read it, but as you can see from my next post I applied my vote almost entirely for pressure, to see if you would retract your claim as I was legitimately unsure of whether or not your claim was real. As for what good a joke would do you, humor? I mean why else would anyone make a joke? |
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Post by kliff on Aug 1, 2020 21:05:17 GMT
I know how to play survivor, no matter the outcome its optimal to claim at game start anyone who doesnt is basically neutral evil or scum. If I were in your shoes I would probably would claim and been a straight meme. Seems like you have the funnest position in the game. I hope you decide to Side with town or else :] |
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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 21:06:39 GMT
unvote chadI got on this initially to add to the pressure and see what the reaction would be, but I think now we would actually get more value from decreasing the pressure and letting any ccs come in, if they exist (although they prob dont). If we get a surv cc I'm willing to vote chad first, because it doesn't really make sense to cc as surv here otherwise. You realize this line of thinking sets me up to be a mislynch right? Like I wanna believe you aren't town for this but then again I don't know how any of you handle third party claims. Certain roles like bomb, miller, or survivor are natural 1st post insta claims for me because otherwise you aren't what you say you are. I didn't really want to clarify what I meant here because it eliminates the low-risk "gambit-like" play I was going for, but if a cc actually came out I fully intended to go back on my word and evaluate each surv claim carefully to determine which was real. This was because a cc, from a real surv or from a scum, would have helped town a lot, so I tried to increase the odds of that happening. But if you happen to not be surv here (which at this point I think is unlikely), and we all vocally buy into it, why would the other surv claim? They would just get killed. This post and the previous post I made explain my thought process behind the whole vote-unvote thing |
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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 21:17:42 GMT
Opportunistic
Both of these lynches seem Opportunistic. lifesuccYou been hoping around a lot. Its like each time you change your lynch it gets worse. I do not think Garry should be lynched because of that, but rather meme on. caydenDont think I see you trying to cheat your way out of post count. Not only are you are seemly doing that but the post are BS and opportunistic in a lazy way. After refreshing:
Fuck I seen people respond already so ima just post what I originally had and just see if my spoilers work I think your push on cayden here is literally more opportunistic than cayden's push on xinc in some way. Do you think that cayden is so weak as a player that he thinks that the xinc wagon is a viable one to be taken to EoD? Can you really think of it as more than a fluffpost? I don't think this is too significant and your other posts still make you probably town in my eyes but this post stuck out to me a bit. |
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Post by Veteran Padgett on Aug 1, 2020 21:20:08 GMT
Quo you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. If anyone other than chad claims survivor we can just lynch chad then the counter claimer if chad flips survivor.
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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 21:29:11 GMT
Quo you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. If anyone other than chad claims survivor we can just lynch chad then the counter claimer if chad flips survivor. To be clear, the things I said about the surv in my last few posts were explaining my changing thought process behind how I viewed the surv claim in the past, not an expression of how I think about the surv currently. As of now I simply think that chad is probably the surv and not the kill for today. |
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Post by chad on Aug 1, 2020 21:43:57 GMT
If it was a joke I would not have used the word hard claim, also who claims survivor as a joke? What good would that do me. Quo did you actually think hmm why would chad do this or did you just kinda assume I was one of the neutral evil tpr's the monent you saw this? I think you are replying as you read and will get to my next post soon but I'll reply to this anyway. "hard claim" is very close to useless to me as a term to show that your claim is real. People "hard claim" a role they aren't actually planning to keep claiming reasonably often, as a joke or otherwise. I assumed very little about your claim the instant I read it, but as you can see from my next post I applied my vote almost entirely for pressure, to see if you would retract your claim as I was legitimately unsure of whether or not your claim was real. As for what good a joke would do you, humor? I mean why else would anyone make a joke? You tried pressuring me at work though -.-, what good does that do. |
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Post by chad on Aug 1, 2020 21:45:31 GMT
You realize this line of thinking sets me up to be a mislynch right? Like I wanna believe you aren't town for this but then again I don't know how any of you handle third party claims. Certain roles like bomb, miller, or survivor are natural 1st post insta claims for me because otherwise you aren't what you say you are. I didn't really want to clarify what I meant here because it eliminates the low-risk "gambit-like" play I was going for, but if a cc actually came out I fully intended to go back on my word and evaluate each surv claim carefully to determine which was real. This was because a cc, from a real surv or from a scum, would have helped town a lot, so I tried to increase the odds of that happening. But if you happen to not be surv here (which at this point I think is unlikely), and we all vocally buy into it, why would the other surv claim? They would just get killed. This post and the previous post I made explain my thought process behind the whole vote-unvote thing You make a fair point, mafia or any other tpr would never cc here its suicide. |
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Post by ayia on Aug 1, 2020 21:57:04 GMT
can we stop ignoring this because this is a very interesting discussion point It has been discussed, it’s a weird thing, and Gary should definitely be looked out for. On the other hand. There are other things to look at besides just that, I strongly believe that Gary could’ve just done something really dumb. but there’s a very real chance he is also scum here. in my mind I definitely see one of Ayia/ Gary flipping mafia, the other could be sk, but if anyone is sk here, it’s probably ayia. Since Gary’s weird tourist play, seems like something someone with partners would do. Probably something the goon would do in this setup, to disguise their kills. I guess by now I should ask, for what reason are you tunneling me? Like I've literally breathed and you're going off on me Is it because you're extra sus after last game because that's really what it feels like |
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Post by ayia on Aug 1, 2020 21:57:49 GMT
Quo you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. If anyone other than chad claims survivor we can just lynch chad then the counter claimer if chad flips survivor. why would this ever happen |
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Post by Veteran Padgett on Aug 1, 2020 22:20:03 GMT
Quo you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. If anyone other than chad claims survivor we can just lynch chad then the counter claimer if chad flips survivor. why would this ever happen It wouldn't because chad is most likely the survivor. I was just going off what quo said. |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 1, 2020 22:23:10 GMT
okay ayia once again. I misread, it's fine. Second, there's not two r's in Gary. Third, I've been reading what was said, and have since made the tr on Veteran Padgett. However I want to make something clear as it appears something was misunderstood. When I quoted Vet saying that they understood what was happening it just happened to have their lynch as well. Nowhere did I say I agreed with I lynch. And frankly, I don't. None of the wagons atm really seem to have any rhyme or reason. Regarding my "townslip". "townslips" aren't real. I'm telling this to you as town, in case scum does attempt to do something. Also not sure how I'm buddying Vet when once again, all I did was call them a tr for not taking advantadge of the the clear growing wagon on me, I didn't say OH YEAH XINC IS SCUM because they said so. Nor do I necessarily believe Xinc is scum. I'm not calling Xinc town either. Just because I call someone a tr, that doesn't immeadiatley mean "Gary's buddying them, he's scum." unless that if you can tr someone that makes you scum.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 1, 2020 22:44:15 GMT
It has been discussed, it’s a weird thing, and Gary should definitely be looked out for. On the other hand. There are other things to look at besides just that, I strongly believe that Gary could’ve just done something really dumb. but there’s a very real chance he is also scum here. in my mind I definitely see one of Ayia/ Gary flipping mafia, the other could be sk, but if anyone is sk here, it’s probably ayia. Since Gary’s weird tourist play, seems like something someone with partners would do. Probably something the goon would do in this setup, to disguise their kills. I guess by now I should ask, for what reason are you tunneling me? Like I've literally breathed and you're going off on me Is it because you're extra sus after last game because that's really what it feels like Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. And you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ 2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. 3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. 4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there 5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. 6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Aug 1, 2020 22:50:30 GMT
The second half of that post is me advocating for gary's miscount being nai, but it's pretty poorly written so I can get where the confusion comes from. I like scept's push because gary's miscount is honestly pretty bizarre on some level, and to me his post reads as trying to figure out what happened there and not a hard-committed until-EoD push, although you might disagree. For that to happen Gary would have had to be okay with claiming his special named townie role, while being aware that his knowledge of the role list was incomplete, this early into d1. Ultimately as of now I think it's pretty nai but it seemed worth investigating for a bit, maybe that comes from miscommunication in mafia chat or something else scum related? I don't believe that to be likely but I think exploring the possibility was a good thing for town. I'm starting to extrapolate a bit so I'd like to hear what scept has to say now about a gary push. You call it NAI, but proceed to give reasons it might be scummy. This is equivalent to poking around in the dark on the off chance that there might be a light switch. True, it might yield something, but it's nonsensical and somewhat contradictory. I also can't really follow the logic here. Is this a tr on scept or an sr on gary? can we discuss how he pretended to not know there were multiple tourists / that the setup was OS despite knowing that there was an OS PGO in the game because that's a pretty powerful move
Garry's Townslip
Well I would like to say there no way Garry could be a scum with teammates otherwise this display would of probably never happen. It really seems like an town slip. But there always a possibility. If that was a intended fake town slip, then that just very dishonorable play/tactic. This is Mafia; the name says it all. Dishonourable plays are encouraged if it furthers your own goals. On a side note, aside from this I am liking Kliff atm their reads are well made and seem not fake (and so genuine).
Garry's Townslip
Well I would like to say there no way Garry could be a scum with teammates otherwise this display would of probably never happen. It really seems like an town slip. But there always a possibility. If that was a intended fake town slip, then that just very dishonorable play/tactic. it literally cannot be a townslip they pretend to have different amounts of info in 2 consecutive post It isn't a townslip because the claim of misreading the setup does not confirm gary to be town. You can misread the setup the way he did as scum. Moving on, it's all very well to think: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of town having any reason to do. Therefore, he is scum.' However, it is also possible to think the following: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of scum having any reason to do. Therefore, he is town.' This is not intended to be a jab, just to show explicitly how this is entirely NAI. No, it was not a townslip, nor a fake townslip. Gary must have known this post would come under a lot of scrutiny if he did it on purpose, and putting yourself in the limelight and making yourself an easy push does not an intentional play make. You're all right in that it's bizarre and nonsensical, and that's because it is precisely that: nonsensical. It does not make sense, other than as an accident, by town or otherwise. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Aug 1, 2020 23:04:23 GMT
I guess by now I should ask, for what reason are you tunneling me? Like I've literally breathed and you're going off on me Is it because you're extra sus after last game because that's really what it feels like Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. Sring someone for their opening statement is a big smh. Rvs is literally supposed to be baselessAnd you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ Please state what you mean by that. Assuming it's surv, yes it should be said because people's opinions will differ on that (note: me as an example). Assuming tourist, also should be said since that's the go-to scum claim (being the most populous town role).2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. Wanting to win is not forced. Besides, playing to this wincon changes the style of play to what you are suggesting, and as I said before only 3rd parties and town want cultrod to live.3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. Not sure what you're referring to here, and would like quotes of this subtlety (I haven't seen it; it is subtle after all!).4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there Again, please quote what you're referring to. Ayia has a good enough post count not to need to filler anyway.5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. True, but weak. Would be interested to hear ayia's response to this one.6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. I have noticed 0 meaningless qs, and anything that causes discussion is not meaningless anyway.overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Aug 1, 2020 23:06:47 GMT
I read a few of ayia's posts and I'm p sure most of the meaningless questions you speak of are in fact rhetorical questions, which is totally different and renders your argument invalid (again, quoting specific instances will make it clearer and point out any I'm missing).
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 1, 2020 23:13:43 GMT
It seems more like gary thought there was only 1 tourist making them a named townie. Not sure how they accounted for the missing 6 players but gary isn't a good lynch. ^This is what I meant to quote earlier, still stand by it, that's probs why it appeared I was following their lynch lmao. |
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Aug 1, 2020 23:14:57 GMT
it literally cannot be a townslip they pretend to have different amounts of info in 2 consecutive posts
Your right, but it somewhere in the terms of that, Like an *Unintelligent Slip. Which would be something an Non-faction scum alignment would probably never display. Which would make me believe they are in the terms of bad town/ third party. This inst an key reasoning or anything, But I think it convince me to not lynch them day 1 until I have more information on them. 'something an Non-faction scum alignment would probably never display.' 'they are in the terms of bad town/ third party' a) please clarify your contradiction b) can you like explain what you mean by unintelligent slip it's not a mafia term and I do not know how it shows what you conclude from it. This post is just throwing stuff together in a way that seems to make sense to defend against counterpoints and has no real coherence. Not saying it's scummy, but it isn't valid. If it was a joke I would not have used the word hard claim, also who claims survivor as a joke? What good would that do me. Quo did you actually think hmm why would chad do this or did you just kinda assume I was one of the neutral evil tpr's the monent you saw this? I think you are replying as you read and will get to my next post soon but I'll reply to this anyway. "hard claim" is very close to useless to me as a term to show that your claim is real. People "hard claim" a role they aren't actually planning to keep claiming reasonably often, as a joke or otherwise. I assumed very little about your claim the instant I read it, but as you can see from my next post I applied my vote almost entirely for pressure, to see if you would retract your claim as I was legitimately unsure of whether or not your claim was real. As for what good a joke would do you, humor? I mean why else would anyone make a joke? They aren't claiming it's a joke?  ? They're saying the opposite??? I should iso quoj because a lot of what they're saying seems to have no real substance and could easily have an agenda behind it, and the defences do look more survivalist than pro-town to me at first glance, but I really need to iso this before I start making any substantial reads on quoj |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 1, 2020 23:17:31 GMT
Would like to comment on the immeadiate survivor claim as I haven't already, I don't see why they are the lynch... Today. The setup is OS, and reveals are in just Town/ Not Town. If we have enough Town flips, I think we can lynch the survivor then in fear it's only helping the scum wincon. But I don't see why it would be the lynch today
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Post by ToiletBro2 on Aug 1, 2020 23:21:37 GMT
unvote chadI got on this initially to add to the pressure and see what the reaction would be, but I think now we would actually get more value from decreasing the pressure and letting any ccs come in, if they exist (although they prob dont). If we get a surv cc I'm willing to vote chad first, because it doesn't really make sense to cc as surv here otherwise. You realize this line of thinking sets me up to be a mislynch right? Like I wanna believe you aren't town for this but then again I don't know how any of you handle third party claims. Certain roles like bomb, miller, or survivor are natural 1st post insta claims for me because otherwise you aren't what you say you are. I find it difficult to believe chad isn't surv atm. imo surv isn't one of the insta claims, but that's probably just because I prefer to play pretend-to-be-town surv. Either way, chad is pseudo-mechanically conf pro-town as far as I can tell. Would like it if people could shift off chad if they're still on him, I cba to check. |
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Post by micromorphic on Aug 1, 2020 23:36:59 GMT
Yo are people actually suggesting lynching the uncced survivor rn? Survivor is the weakest third party that is literally at our mercy, we don’t lynch him, we lynch scum.
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Post by micromorphic on Aug 1, 2020 23:37:11 GMT
^harmful scum*
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 1, 2020 23:46:05 GMT
Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. Sring someone for their opening statement is a big smh. Rvs is literally supposed to be baselessAnd you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ Please state what you mean by that. Assuming it's surv, yes it should be said because people's opinions will differ on that (note: me as an example). Assuming tourist, also should be said since that's the go-to scum claim (being the most populous town role).2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. Wanting to win is not forced. Besides, playing to this wincon changes the style of play to what you are suggesting, and as I said before only 3rd parties and town want cultrod to live.3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. Not sure what you're referring to here, and would like quotes of this subtlety (I haven't seen it; it is subtle after all!).4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there Again, please quote what you're referring to. Ayia has a good enough post count not to need to filler anyway.5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. True, but weak. Would be interested to hear ayia's response to this one.6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. I have noticed 0 meaningless qs, and anything that causes discussion is not meaningless anyway.overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. We stan people who keep the phrase #NoOneAskedYou, alive. This very much wasn’t directed towards you, or for you. But if you want to defend someone and pull apart my post, please do. I’ll keep this short, since I don’t really intend to argue with you about this for long. Redpoint 2: The thing about the surv, I mean them saying “scum does not fake claim survivor” to when scept says “I dont see why survivor would claim day 1” and the point was that they said that without any backup or evidence. Saying “scum doesn’t do that” won’t change anyone’s mind, and it seemed way too unnecessary (kind of like the rebuttal you made, to something that no one asked you to be involved in) Red point 3: I never said wanting to win is forced. I said lynching someone for the sole reason that they tried to out cultrod, because they want cultrod to survive, seems forced. Red point 4: The quote in question: thought: lynching Chad is a neutral lynch that counts as a scumlynch and prevents us from getting endgamed needlessly- It was out of the blue and sort of random. They paint the lynch as a good option, but do nothing further to comment on it. Red point 5: Ayia said “Cayden is a king” and “Peryiat” which seem sort of weird / random, and don’t really add/do anything. Red point 6: I can’t remember where I was going with this point if I’m being honest. overall: All it is is a bunch of counter points, with no conclusion to them here. I know you do it a lot, but honestly it ruins the whole point, it wasn’t for you to counter. The point of that wasn’t responding to anything you said. I wanted Ayia to rebuttal that, and instead you did all the leg work for them, making it so if they are scum, they get away easier here. If you defend everyone for them, then scum can’t get pressured. |
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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 23:53:09 GMT
Can we stop pretending like anyone holds the position that we lynch the surv today? I made this crystal clear when I said "As of now I simply think that chad is probably the surv and not the kill for today."
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? They're saying the opposite??? I should iso quoj because a lot of what they're saying seems to have no real substance and could easily have an agenda behind it, and the defences do look more survivalist than pro-town to me at first glance, but I really need to iso this before I start making any substantial reads on quoj