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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 23:54:01 GMT
I'll respond to the other stuff tb2 asked me one by one but I wanted to get that out there first
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Post by quojova on Aug 1, 2020 23:57:17 GMT
okay ayia once again. I misread, it's fine. Second, there's not two r's in Gary. Third, I've been reading what was said, and have since made the tr on Veteran Padgett. However I want to make something clear as it appears something was misunderstood. When I quoted Vet saying that they understood what was happening it just happened to have their lynch as well. Nowhere did I say I agreed with I lynch. And frankly, I don't. None of the wagons atm really seem to have any rhyme or reason. Regarding my "townslip". "townslips" aren't real. I'm telling this to you as town, in case scum does attempt to do something. Also not sure how I'm buddying Vet when once again, all I did was call them a tr for not taking advantadge of the the clear growing wagon on me, I didn't say OH YEAH XINC IS SCUM because they said so. Nor do I necessarily believe Xinc is scum. I'm not calling Xinc town either. Just because I call someone a tr, that doesn't immeadiatley mean "Gary's buddying them, he's scum." unless that if you can tr someone that makes you scum. who said you said that xinc is scum? I'm genuinely curious, I couldn't find it and that's really scummy if true, bc that's obviously not what you meant |
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 0:02:08 GMT
The second half of that post is me advocating for gary's miscount being nai, but it's pretty poorly written so I can get where the confusion comes from. I like scept's push because gary's miscount is honestly pretty bizarre on some level, and to me his post reads as trying to figure out what happened there and not a hard-committed until-EoD push, although you might disagree. For that to happen Gary would have had to be okay with claiming his special named townie role, while being aware that his knowledge of the role list was incomplete, this early into d1. Ultimately as of now I think it's pretty nai but it seemed worth investigating for a bit, maybe that comes from miscommunication in mafia chat or something else scum related? I don't believe that to be likely but I think exploring the possibility was a good thing for town. I'm starting to extrapolate a bit so I'd like to hear what scept has to say now about a gary push. You call it NAI, but proceed to give reasons it might be scummy. This is equivalent to poking around in the dark on the off chance that there might be a light switch. True, it might yield something, but it's nonsensical and somewhat contradictory. I also can't really follow the logic here. Is this a tr on scept or an sr on gary? I felt like I was pretty clear on my stance here, but I'll trim off the fat and give you my position distilled down to the absolute core. I think gary is NAI off those posts I think scept is mistaken with his push I still think the push from scept is motivated from a place of town One reason for this is because an exploration of gary's mistake could reveal a lot of pro-town information, which I don't think is likely but is possible. If you want more details, please read the post you replied to or give me more specific questions relating to my stance. |
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Post by chad on Aug 2, 2020 0:06:58 GMT
It has been discussed, it’s a weird thing, and Gary should definitely be looked out for. On the other hand. There are other things to look at besides just that, I strongly believe that Gary could’ve just done something really dumb. but there’s a very real chance he is also scum here. in my mind I definitely see one of Ayia/ Gary flipping mafia, the other could be sk, but if anyone is sk here, it’s probably ayia. Since Gary’s weird tourist play, seems like something someone with partners would do. Probably something the goon would do in this setup, to disguise their kills. I guess by now I should ask, for what reason are you tunneling me? Like I've literally breathed and you're going off on me Is it because you're extra sus after last game because that's really what it feels like I was mafia with you and I be hella suspect as well tbf, also have you practiced holding your breath? |
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Post by chad on Aug 2, 2020 0:11:29 GMT
I guess by now I should ask, for what reason are you tunneling me? Like I've literally breathed and you're going off on me Is it because you're extra sus after last game because that's really what it feels like Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. And you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ 2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. 3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. 4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there 5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. 6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. 1. What was wrong with a basely rvs vote? 2. Cult Rod dieing on d1 serves 0 purpose ultimately we should be looking to kill a mafia here to make sure kills are still maximized which is much much more likelier to deal with any other shit. I also have no idea how goos work. 3. I mean is ayia wrong? I don't flip town here so my lynch in a way is better than killing town or mislynching town I should say. 4. Since when are fillers a scum claim? 5. This just feels like bragging rights, idk why its there. 6. Rest of the day? Its been like 20 hours chill. 1 3 4 5 6 feel forced. |
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Post by chad on Aug 2, 2020 0:14:30 GMT
it literally cannot be a townslip they pretend to have different amounts of info in 2 consecutive post It isn't a townslip because the claim of misreading the setup does not confirm gary to be town. You can misread the setup the way he did as scum. Moving on, it's all very well to think: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of town having any reason to do. Therefore, he is scum.' However, it is also possible to think the following: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of scum having any reason to do. Therefore, he is town.' This is not intended to be a jab, just to show explicitly how this is entirely NAI. No, it was not a townslip, nor a fake townslip. Gary must have known this post would come under a lot of scrutiny if he did it on purpose, and putting yourself in the limelight and making yourself an easy push does not an intentional play make. You're all right in that it's bizarre and nonsensical, and that's because it is precisely that: nonsensical. It does not make sense, other than as an accident, by town or otherwise. Fucked up thgis quote ...Anyways There is no such thing as a town slip, people tend to say things without thinking for the most part not reading the OP or refusal to read the OP and stating obvious dumb tell is not a town only move, I don't think its exactly scummy either because how often do you ever see forced dumb tells, because I've never seen any. He def isn't confirmed scum though, so idk what tb2 is on about. |
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 0:16:50 GMT
I think you are replying as you read and will get to my next post soon but I'll reply to this anyway. "hard claim" is very close to useless to me as a term to show that your claim is real. People "hard claim" a role they aren't actually planning to keep claiming reasonably often, as a joke or otherwise. I assumed very little about your claim the instant I read it, but as you can see from my next post I applied my vote almost entirely for pressure, to see if you would retract your claim as I was legitimately unsure of whether or not your claim was real. As for what good a joke would do you, humor? I mean why else would anyone make a joke? They aren't claiming it's a joke?  ? They're saying the opposite??? I should iso quoj because a lot of what they're saying seems to have no real substance and could easily have an agenda behind it, and the defences do look more survivalist than pro-town to me at first glance, but I really need to iso this before I start making any substantial reads on quoj The parts of that post where I express my opinions on chad are written in THE PAST TENSE. I NO LONGER HOLD THIS POSITION, as is evident from my post after that. "a lot of what they're saying seems to have no real substance" is not really an accusation I can respond to, but I'll address the "the defences do look more survivalist than pro-town" part. I make no attempt to hide the fact that I would like to survive. Is that at all surprising? To some extent I think you have read my general playstyle as scummy. When I am pushed for something, I often reply comprehensively and strongly. I linked two posts below from my previous game that I think show this well. The reason I reply in this way is because from my perspective, I know the exact rationale behind every post I write, and because of that I am perfectly happy to defend them for as long as anyone wants. I am in the best position out of everyone in the game to clarify and defend my own stance, so why wouldn't I? I think your criticism might strike at something deeper than I am getting at here, in which case what exactly do you not like about how I am defending myself? ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/68270ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/68076 |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 0:25:05 GMT
Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. And you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ 2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. 3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. 4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there 5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. 6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. 1. What was wrong with a basely rvs vote? 2. Cult Rod dieing on d1 serves 0 purpose ultimately we should be looking to kill a mafia here to make sure kills are still maximized which is much much more likelier to deal with any other shit. I also have no idea how goos work. 3. I mean is ayia wrong? I don't flip town here so my lynch in a way is better than killing town or mislynching town I should say. 4. Since when are fillers a scum claim? 5. This just feels like bragging rights, idk why its there. 6. Rest of the day? Its been like 20 hours chill. 1 3 4 5 6 feel forced. Oh cool, it’s a worse version of what toiletbro did, the rebuttals are weaker, and it’s obvious you didn’t read what I just posted. 1- Nothing really, it’s just weird it’s Gary of all people, which seems like a lazy default. 2- Read what i said to toiletbro 3- They changed randomly from what seemed to be a stance towards you (by saying that your claimed seem legitimate, where they had nothing else to add) to where they just randomly added that you would make a good lynch, without putting in the effort to actually push you or do anything about it. 4- since when are fillers a scum claim? Huh, are you asking what’s scummy about filler? It just didn’t seem necessary and seemed out of place with their other lines. 5-I said why it’s there, because they kept bringing up the point and asking others to comment on it, without commenting on it themselves. They are asking others to give thoughts, but aren’t giving their own, making them in the middle of each stance, making it seem like they are a solo role, trying to avoid provoking town or mafia ( they are probably a sk) 6- the rest of their iso* this was a weak point anyways from me, but you didn’t try to actually counter it. now I said it to toilet , and I don’t feel like repeating myself. But ultimately you had no reason to really post this, especially since your points were all very weak ones that don’t even scratch the surface, of what was ( admittedly my fault) a weak post of me trying to get my sr of Ayia out there. They were lazy one liners that didn’t go into in depth of any of it. |
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 0:34:58 GMT
It isn't a townslip because the claim of misreading the setup does not confirm gary to be town. You can misread the setup the way he did as scum. Moving on, it's all very well to think: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of town having any reason to do. Therefore, he is scum.' However, it is also possible to think the following: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of scum having any reason to do. Therefore, he is town.' This is not intended to be a jab, just to show explicitly how this is entirely NAI. No, it was not a townslip, nor a fake townslip. Gary must have known this post would come under a lot of scrutiny if he did it on purpose, and putting yourself in the limelight and making yourself an easy push does not an intentional play make. You're all right in that it's bizarre and nonsensical, and that's because it is precisely that: nonsensical. It does not make sense, other than as an accident, by town or otherwise. Fucked up thgis quote ...Anyways There is no such thing as a town slip, people tend to say things without thinking for the most part not reading the OP or refusal to read the OP and stating obvious dumb tell is not a town only move, I don't think its exactly scummy either because how often do you ever see forced dumb tells, because I've never seen any. He def isn't confirmed scum though, so idk what tb2 is on about. am I reading this right? tb2 says nowhere in this post that gary is confscum |
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 0:36:25 GMT
I actually thought we had 3.5 hours left before dl until this instant
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 1:10:11 GMT
k i just woke up and did a super skim
two points:
anyone wanting to lynch the surv is bad and doesnt know how to think
gary is scum
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 1:12:22 GMT
Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. And you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ 2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. 3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. 4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there 5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. 6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. 1. What was wrong with a basely rvs vote? 2. Cult Rod dieing on d1 serves 0 purpose ultimately we should be looking to kill a mafia here to make sure kills are still maximized which is much much more likelier to deal with any other shit. I also have no idea how goos work. 3. I mean is ayia wrong? I don't flip town here so my lynch in a way is better than killing town or mislynching town I should say. 4. Since when are fillers a scum claim? 5. This just feels like bragging rights, idk why its there. 6. Rest of the day? Its been like 20 hours chill. 1 3 4 5 6 feel forced. I have to disagree with point 3, lynching surv is literally -EV for town |
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Post by kliff on Aug 2, 2020 1:12:42 GMT
Opportunistic
Both of these lynches seem Opportunistic. lifesuccYou been hoping around a lot. Its like each time you change your lynch it gets worse. I do not think Garry should be lynched because of that, but rather meme on. caydenDont think I see you trying to cheat your way out of post count. Not only are you are seemly doing that but the post are BS and opportunistic in a lazy way. After refreshing:
Fuck I seen people respond already so ima just post what I originally had and just see if my spoilers work I think your push on cayden here is literally more opportunistic than cayden's push on xinc in some way. Do you think that cayden is so weak as a player that he thinks that the xinc wagon is a viable one to be taken to EoD? Can you really think of it as more than a fluffpost? I don't think this is too significant and your other posts still make you probably town in my eyes but this post stuck out to me a bit.
I would not consider my intents towards cayden as a push. He deserves the "push"/ comment anyways. Also I dont think anyone would do what your inferring, I hope not.
Garry's *Unintelligent Slip
Your right, but it somewhere in the terms of that, Like an *Unintelligent Slip. Which would be something an Non-faction scum alignment would probably never display. Which would make me believe they are in the terms of bad town/ third party. This inst an key reasoning or anything, But I think it convince me to not lynch them day 1 until I have more information on them. 'something an Non-faction scum alignment would probably never display.' 'they are in the terms of bad town/ third party' a) please clarify your contradiction b) can you like explain what you mean by unintelligent slip it's not a mafia term and I do not know how it shows what you conclude from it. This post is just throwing stuff together in a way that seems to make sense to defend against counterpoints and has no real coherence. Not saying it's scummy, but it isn't valid.
I guess you can say that i am giving the benefit of the doubt to Gary, due to the fact I think an faction-scum would not have a entrance like that. Which makes me think they are a town/third party who is just alone and bad(dont know the right term). This is my argument for at least not lynching him day 1 until further notice. But Yea there is nothing Strong here |
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Post by kliff on Aug 2, 2020 1:16:06 GMT
Yo are people actually suggesting lynching the uncced survivor rn? Survivor is the weakest third party that is literally at our mercy, we don’t lynch him, we lynch scum. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 1:22:01 GMT
honestly i disagree with survivor as a role cuz claiming d1 basically gets them the win if all factions play properly but eh, thats not very game related rn.
i have to go off so ill post more indepth stuff in a couple hours
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 1:28:24 GMT
k i just woke up and did a super skim two points: anyone wanting to lynch the surv is bad and doesnt know how to think gary is scum omg i agree, lets lynch the people who want to lynch the surv claim!!! |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 2, 2020 1:33:41 GMT
k i just woke up and did a super skim two points: anyone wanting to lynch the surv is bad and doesnt know how to think gary is scum I'll agree with the first |
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 2, 2020 1:35:47 GMT
okay ayia once again. I misread, it's fine. Second, there's not two r's in Gary. Third, I've been reading what was said, and have since made the tr on Veteran Padgett. However I want to make something clear as it appears something was misunderstood. When I quoted Vet saying that they understood what was happening it just happened to have their lynch as well. Nowhere did I say I agreed with I lynch. And frankly, I don't. None of the wagons atm really seem to have any rhyme or reason. Regarding my "townslip". "townslips" aren't real. I'm telling this to you as town, in case scum does attempt to do something. Also not sure how I'm buddying Vet when once again, all I did was call them a tr for not taking advantadge of the the clear growing wagon on me, I didn't say OH YEAH XINC IS SCUM because they said so. Nor do I necessarily believe Xinc is scum. I'm not calling Xinc town either. Just because I call someone a tr, that doesn't immeadiatley mean "Gary's buddying them, he's scum." unless that if you can tr someone that makes you scum. who said you said that xinc is scum? I'm genuinely curious, I couldn't find it and that's really scummy if true, bc that's obviously not what you meant Quo this was directed at tb2 who said it looked like buddying and that I was solely saying I townread them because they townread me. And since I quoted their lynch, I was making it clear I didn't necessarily agree with it, and that it blatantly wasn't buddying |
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Post by micromorphic on Aug 2, 2020 1:43:14 GMT
Yo are people actually suggesting lynching the uncced survivor rn? Survivor is the weakest third party that is literally at our mercy, we don’t lynch him, we lynch scum. Sure. I am not a fan of vigvig lynching me and not reacting to my omgus, nor paying any attention to this game. I am not a fan of Gary The Savage just defending himself while not making any scumreads. Yes, you made a mistake and didn’t read the rolelist. Nobody fucking cares stop defending yourself and play the game! Anyone else who isn’t participating in the game so far is also scum because it’s been nearly s full day since the game has started and all they’ve done is rvsed. |
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 2:34:11 GMT
I read through the thread and there honestly wasn't anyone I thought was too scummy. Our unfortunate reality is that every scum player could easily have provided nothing of actual substance, or nothing at all. I think it's too early to seriously push anyone on the basis of inactivity, I mean they will get subbed, but I will start to look in places where posts are more sparse.
Veteran Padgett has proof of activity, with enough spread to his posts that he has clearly read the entire thread. Despite this, he has only 5 posts, which is not in and of itself egregious, but these posts have been unproductive. 1 of the posts is a filler xinc vote. 2 of them are about my supposed over-complication of the surv claim, when in the posts he refers to I spoke of my past stances on the surv and not my current position. Another is voting for cayden because of his complete nonsense/joke(?) vote. The last is a post in which he actually does provide something of substance, saying that gary is not a good lynch from his slip-up, but he provides no reasoning for this besides "It seems more like gary thought there was only 1 tourist making them a named townie." which is the obvious alternative to gary lying.
None of these posts are really bad, it is more that this is all he has. He has read the whole thread, but had minimal posting, and has often chosen to comment on one of the least important issues at the time of his post. Padgett, give us some explained reads to work with please.
vote veteran padgett
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Post by Veteran Padgett on Aug 2, 2020 4:26:23 GMT
I'm not voting cayden for their vote. I'm voting cayden for obvious active lurking.
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Aug 2, 2020 6:40:29 GMT
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blurb
Innocent Child
ball so hard
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Post by blurb on Aug 2, 2020 6:44:34 GMT
lynch gts
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blurb
Innocent Child
ball so hard
Posts: 92
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Post by blurb on Aug 2, 2020 6:47:48 GMT
im trying to get to 5 posts out here, will be more active in later days. i just do not see gary the savage as town here, but i would also like to note that ptsd is not playing like his usual self
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Post by litteleven on Aug 2, 2020 6:49:32 GMT
Lynch vigvig#OMGUS IS THE BEST META
mhmLynch micromorphic a policy whilst I make actual reads
entered into the game and investing time into the Surv in the way that he did. Nothing Major but this is where I will start until more content comes up.
Vote QuojovaMore content pops up = re-evaluation, would look forward to this given at this point in time quo's wagon is the highest. bruh moment:
mhmPlaceholderI think they call this a placeholder vote. Just saying in case you want to use the term in the future. Unless you are actually going to policy._.QuojovaDont necessarily like how
entered into the game and investing time into the Surv in the way that he did. Nothing Major but this is where I will start until more content comes up.
Vote Quojova i mean its that and the fact they talked about the surv thing at all Lynch QuojovaAs far as I can tell, this read is just a personal tell, could you expand on why investing time on discussing where the surv goes would fit a scum viewpoint? |
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