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Post by kliff on Jun 11, 2021 3:57:25 GMT
i'm not sure what your 3 points are pointing out beyond "red flag due to disagreement from tl" iioa, is there a specific read you want me to update on? separate rambling killmeta weirded me out and is making me assume peng to be town? since a null kill target implies scum is fine with the current status quo, and peng was the main potential cw at eod1 from my pov i really don't understand the gary vote and am hoping someone can make another cohesive post about why there are 4 people on them. bit tired right now so i'm going to properly look over each person once i wake up although i dont get quojova's being on peng today(is it still the same reasoning as yday?) peng being on fort is just as confusing to me since the thought progression isn't getting through i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors. i'm not sure why sky is on me but after reading up i'm realizing that i haven't looked at a single notification after seeing that fort is liking all of them oops
best i can do is answer the questions in the first tag now ig A: Responses from someone who's being sred would allow me to determine a stronger read on them rather than being shaky over peng/ddlc at day1 B: i can't remember who was on the wagon at that point what i was more interested in was who else would hop on/dismiss the wagon in its entirety but that became a lot less important once ddlc revealed as town "if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not none of the wagons at the point had taken plur(as far as i could tell) considering that i assumed scums would just try to avoid drawing further attention but that falls invalid again since ddlc flipped town although i was interested in the eod gary wagon of chaos+verti+ddlc i'll try to keep an eye out on notifs from now gn  |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 5:01:18 GMT
also cyan are you considering gary to be scum rn? bc personally i can only see him through the lens of u and him being partners. as someone who is part of that pairing, i wonder how u view it, since i find it really hard to figure out a partner who's not just a lurker/uninvolved with gary due to everyone ganging up on him. kinda have been since start of d2? i'm just not voting because it'd place him in L-1 and i don't see a reason not to stretch out discussion more as far as partners go, i'd consider working from NKA and thinking about who might want SSR dead or who wanted to maintain the status quo which, i've labeled a few names already, isn't a lot of people and won't get me towards making a scumteam but it's a start can you go into more detail about who you think are plausible gary partners because it really is the thing (+wagon formation in general) that just makes me think gary is going to flip green |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 5:04:20 GMT
do you guys have reads on penguin that are not dumb nk meta
it feels like he is getting 10 times less attention as a viable wagon than he should rn
he is not playing the game to find the mafia
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 5:27:49 GMT
do you guys have reads on penguin that are not dumb nk meta it feels like he is getting 10 times less attention as a viable wagon than he should rn he is not playing the gameftfy |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 5:36:22 GMT
kliff. his posts are godawful to read and i hate them Is it the grammar? or format? I been trying to attempted double line spacing but doesn't seem like its working It's the grammar. The text being bigger than everyone else's just makes the bad grammar more noticeable. Actually I think it's the size even more than the grammar, your grammar isn't perfect but its readable. |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 5:47:57 GMT
do you guys have reads on penguin that are not dumb nk meta it feels like he is getting 10 times less attention as a viable wagon than he should rn he is not playing the gameftfy the posts he has today are at the very least enough to see that he cares about what happens to his slot what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever? do you have a vote on the board rn btw? - it's just super annoying to track down |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 5:59:11 GMT
currently my biggest townread is, curiously enough, kliff. his posts are godawful to read and i hate them but his big analysis was very on point and i think we should definitely lynch one of penguin or gary today.chaos: i think i find his tunnel vision on gary to be rather... interesting? i'm trying to figure out what scum!chaos gets from tunnelling gary and the only thing i can think of is protecting penguin. alternately it could be a heavy bus on an already scumread partner? you're right actually. i have no idea why i'm okay with voting you. i give you towncred for correctly labelling ddlc as a memer yesterday. I don't think scum has a need to do that, when it looked like town was happily going to vote out ddlc out for it
only possibility would be if scum was leading the ddlc vote and scum!gary needed to be a scum on the other side.
What? Do you got an actual opinion on Gary. i had forgotten the reason gary was questionable. i'm like... grudgingly accepting of a vote on him right now. I don't quite think scum!gary protects ddlc there but other than that he's been waffling around in a very noncommittal way. actually let's just run this down. I'm not gonna quote everything, just everything related to him being decisive.
now unlike you, i'm not as reserved. Unvote: wallapeVote: ddlcfan69needless to say ddlc's tone in this post feels passive aggressive to me Personally, mixed feelings on sfl. This shift seemed to easy per se. I liked the follow up reasons in their very next post, but the shift itself I'm uncertain of. mixed feelings on cyan. Regarding user ddlcfan69: is ddlcfan negtown? Atm yes, yes they are. Does this mean that they are scum? No, no it does not. I've argued this point time and time again amd will continue to do so. Voting town just because they are negtown doesn't do any good nor does it advance the town wincon, which should be the goal. Rather, to vote negtown town is hypocritical as by doing so you are negtown yourself. It'd be much better and more telling on your own part, if you are town, to vote who you believe scum is. As much as I'd like for ddlc to stop meming as much as they are as it isn't getting anywhere, they're negligence as town does not make them scum. Leading into the further point as to why I don't like th sfl shift. First off, they took the opportunity to get on negtown when ddlc said "ur mom..." Was this unnecessary on ddlc's part. Yes. Should it be considered a scumtell, not imo. However, as aforementioned constant filler isn't ideal. The other issue is I don't like how easily sfl got off wallape. They seemed satisfied enough with basically NAI. Hence why I've gotten on wallape, as the justification to sfl getting off really isn't there, and with the shift was unnecessary. Wouldn't be surprised if its a potential early game bus. Now, by no means am I saying ddlc is town. But ddlc, if you are, advance your own wincon and don't help scum by being negtown. Because they can just take control and take advantage. And if you sr ddlc for reasons beside negtown filler, get on them and see what I care, but if thats it, I'm uncertain. ddlc is just memeing but not necessarily town key because he argued not that you guys were wrong for voting ddlc, but that yall were voting ddlc for the wrong reasons. and as kliff asked for.... Regarding user PenguinD: Penguin could easily be scum. They've had 2 posts about ddlc pmeta, an rvs vote, telling someone they're in the wrong game, and iioa. That's it. Now as previously established, pmeta should not be used in any way and they honestly hopped ontp the ddlc wagon withput a real reason. Now I know I have been saying I don't tr ddlc but tbh, the growth of his wagon based mostly on his uselessness does make him appear townie to me. he comes to a decision here, and puts a FoS on penguin. penguin then comes along tomorrow to say "hmmm i would've voted this guy except i showed up immediately after twilight began" This I dont agree with I think penguin has no reason to leave me if he were not town honestly. Especially since all the pressure would then fall onto him which it did. I do want peng to do more and post more but I dont sr them and honestly its more likely Gary is the scum here then Peng if we want to look at who is interacting with who Um when looking at interactions? At the time of post Penguin literally hasn't had any still calling out penguin, though this isn't really decisive or not. yo okay Vertigo do you mind posting some of the reads on me from yday cuz I must be blind y'all tunnel vision getting the best of you and mine is too, I'm tempted to shuft back to wape skyfigueroa fwiw the only forum game I've ever been scum in is mononoke I'll probs do a wallpost either today or tomorrow assuming I'm not hammered before then just to get my reads out there for y'all since I presume I'm dead unless some crazy persuasion happens you're.... tempted to shift back to an rvs vote? what? from what i can see you haven't brought up wallape as a lynch target except in your original vote. FOS of fort, not necessarily for comments made reasonably, butter after other people began to sl me y-day he sorta just sheeped their reads and placed an fos on me, with no prior reads on me having been made by him that is because i hadn't had reads on you until they pointed it out. but this is certainly decisive. y'all say indecisive on everything and its literally just sfl. Yes, I was indecisive on sfl. And I still am. I really don't see the issue with being uncertain about a read on someone. and with ape as a sl, I was saying potential partner interaction between sfl and ape, but since ape is the sl, I got on ape I have come to the conclusion that he's right. the only indecision is on sfl, and I hadn't realized it until I read his iso. I stand corrected and am no longer willing to vote gary for now. Though I would love for you to explain to me how shifting back to an rvs would be any sort of productive tunnelling from you? |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:02:03 GMT
my current read on gary, now that i've just read his iso and seen the nuance, is that i don't think scum!gary needs to tell town to find better reasons to vote ddlc. scum!gary could've just said "ddlc's memery seems town to me" and it would've been fine as a defense, but the way he did it feels more town-motivated than scum.
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 6:02:47 GMT
i think im gonna retract my sr on chaos. micro reads wise i still h8 how shallow most of his posts r but in the grand scheme of things he's shown signs of actively trying to solve the game, even if it leaves us all out of the loop. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/77273 this one in particular feels really natural to me but also shows initiative. he's still doing the vibe read stuff but i think it's time for me to accept that it's just who he is |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:14:10 GMT
i think im gonna retract my sr on chaos. micro reads wise i still h8 how shallow most of his posts r but in the grand scheme of things he's shown signs of actively trying to solve the game, even if it leaves us all out of the loop. ps-mafia.proboards.com/post/77273 this one in particular feels really natural to me but also shows initiative. he's still doing the vibe read stuff but i think it's time for me to accept that it's just who he is tbh I've liked the nuance chaos has put out this game but I looked back at his time heist game (in which he was scum) and the dude is honestly just pretty good at creating takes that seem complex link: ps-mafia.proboards.com/thread/1006/year-time-heist-past-nighteven from just like the first few pages you can see this |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:15:55 GMT
chaostrodon weird question to ask directly but do you think there is any reason I should consider you outside of your scumrange rn also do you have any past games (preferably more recent) that you can link because I haven't seen your towngame before
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:19:37 GMT
the posts he has today are at the very least enough to see that he cares about what happens to his slot what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever? do you have a vote on the board rn btw? - it's just super annoying to track down i currently do not have a vote down. Here it is.
Vote: Penguind Thinking about your question lead me to this answer. If he continues to play like this, we will be just as null on him at lylo as we are right now. (all assuming he continues to play like this) I cannot imagine a world in which scum!anyone kills town!penguind at night. If penguin makes it to lylo, we aren't going to have stronger reasoning for lynching him than we do today. It would be the same "he's barely playing" shit and there's actually a chance that other people will choose not to vote him because some townie made a big mistake somewhere and he didn't because he didn't do anything so there's no mistake to be scumread. If that happens with town!penguind and i'm alive, i'm going to vote him. I fell for it once with cayden and I don't want to let lurkscum win again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If that happens with scum!penguind and other people go with a different vote for whatever reason then we actually just lose. Therefore, I argue that we cannot take penguin to lylo and should look to remove the tumor slot asa[.
yes i just explained what a policy vote is. i realized it after typing it out. |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:22:58 GMT
the posts he has today are at the very least enough to see that he cares about what happens to his slot what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever? do you have a vote on the board rn btw? - it's just super annoying to track down i currently do not have a vote down. Here it is.
Vote: Penguind Thinking about your question lead me to this answer. If he continues to play like this, we will be just as null on him at lylo as we are right now. (all assuming he continues to play like this) I cannot imagine a world in which scum!anyone kills town!penguind at night. If penguin makes it to lylo, we aren't going to have stronger reasoning for lynching him than we do today. It would be the same "he's barely playing" shit and there's actually a chance that other people will choose not to vote him because some townie made a big mistake somewhere and he didn't because he didn't do anything so there's no mistake to be scumread. If that happens with town!penguind and i'm alive, i'm going to vote him. I fell for it once with cayden and I don't want to let lurkscum win again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If that happens with scum!penguind and other people go with a different vote for whatever reason then we actually just lose. Therefore, I argue that we cannot take penguin to lylo and should look to remove the tumor slot asa[.
yes i just explained what a policy vote is. i realized it after typing it out. obviously this assumes we do get to lylo and dont just yeet the three scum in a row. but i think there's a fair chance for penguin to be one of them, higher than gary anyways, who i currently tl |
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Post by wallape on Jun 11, 2021 6:25:35 GMT
kinda curious since ur pushing for peng vote so like who do u think is peng partner? quojova and @fortcolors and other ppl who r voting/leaning peng but im too lazy to check votes |
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Post by wallape on Jun 11, 2021 6:27:09 GMT
I think I'll have to reread a bit because quo makes some valid points regarding wagon formation but I feel pretty convinced in my case on Gary
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 6:30:31 GMT
Gary the savage(4)*:Chaostrodon,wallape,Vertigo,kliff
- cyan and penguin said they would lynch gary if he didn't have 4 votes
PenguinD(3):Quojova, Gary, Fort
since these r the main wagons and if i had to choose, i would side with the penguin lynch. as for possible partners, anyone who isn't quo chaos or bgb.
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:32:35 GMT
kinda curious since ur pushing for peng vote so like who do u think is peng partner? quojova and @fortcolors and other ppl who r voting/leaning peng but im too lazy to check votes tbh I haven't thought about it very much because unlike with gary I don't see glaringly widespread issues in terms of compatibility but basically the entire pl except gary and probably kliff seems plausible atm although that will probably narrow slightly if I look back a bit more I'm tempted to say fort is less likely but I'm not actually sure about that rn because I think if he's partners with penguin, he's put in a very awkward spot where he feels like he has no choice but to vote penguin rn so I would not discount that |
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:34:37 GMT
i'm not sure what your 3 points are pointing out beyond "red flag due to disagreement from tl" iioa, is there a specific read you want me to update on? separate rambling killmeta weirded me out and is making me assume peng to be town? since a null kill target implies scum is fine with the current status quo, and peng was the main potential cw at eod1 from my pov i really don't understand the gary vote and am hoping someone can make another cohesive post about why there are 4 people on them. bit tired right now so i'm going to properly look over each person once i wake up although i dont get quojova's being on peng today(is it still the same reasoning as yday?) peng being on fort is just as confusing to me since the thought progression isn't getting through i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors. i'm not sure why sky is on me but after reading up i'm realizing that i haven't looked at a single notification after seeing that fort is liking all of them oops
best i can do is answer the questions in the first tag now ig A: Responses from someone who's being sred would allow me to determine a stronger read on them rather than being shaky over peng/ddlc at day1 B: i can't remember who was on the wagon at that point what i was more interested in was who else would hop on/dismiss the wagon in its entirety but that became a lot less important once ddlc revealed as town "if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not none of the wagons at the point had taken plur(as far as i could tell) considering that i assumed scums would just try to avoid drawing further attention but that falls invalid again since ddlc flipped town although i was interested in the eod gary wagon of chaos+verti+ddlc i'll try to keep an eye out on notifs from now gn this is artic's only post today (thanks for pointing that out kliff) its late at night rn and since ddlc hasn't responded with a post that makes me tl them so far vote: ddlc
mans added himself to the ddlc wagon less than 3 hours before deadline, but he'd been vocally questioning ddlc since before that and outright said he wanted to keep pressure on ddlc quite frankly i think the reason the wagon was "overly stable" was 17 hours of no posts from ddlc, giving people no reason to move off. would you be interested in shifting to penguin as a the lurker pressure? someone else mentioned that sc23 probably just gets subbed out while penguin's done his bare minimum and dipped. typing in forums is hard idm shifting from sc23(not 43 :pensive:) to penguin but that might shift the weight from ddlc more than i want.current thoughts: A: Why are you Fos'ing on gary? // i didn't understand it. is it them being uncertain? but that would qualify as a townslip, since certainty is often correlatable to being the minority with info B: I really want to see ddlc defend against cyan's 3 point agenda post C: Switching between peng/sc isn't an issue, i still want to gather reactions since i haven't played with most of you :^ D: I should make a votecount whenever i post since god its confusing to not have that accessibly General reads: tl on cyan and gary rn, gary's may be subject to change if fortcolors has a sizable reason cyan's is primarily since i can understand the logic behind their push slight sl on peng, slightly larger sl on ddlc i suppose though i'm still miffed how the only way of getting attention on other players is wagoning onto penguin :/ i do agree ddlc is trying way too hard to be a town, but as we associate that with being a pr too we might just be poking a pr claim out on day 1 which would suck i will hard sr anyone who tries to jump from ddlc to whichever wagon of note is around rn(i think its just peng? and some 2-vote wagons?) i can't...figure out how to quote multiple people so um bear with me ; In reference to kliff just a couple notes post many of the points don't make sense to me, although i'm glad the penguin tr thing was pointed out(weird as all hell, might be scum spew, might be a random attempt to divert attention) why was cyan getting on ddlc weird, could you explain that while keeping in mind the current state of the game as compared to only the first post? considering that it was very early game there isn't necessarily much logic behind each vote. I'm assuming the teammates think alike thing was in reference to a possible scumteam of cyan+chaostrodon but again, people grasping on to the same point kinda makes that iffy in my opinion. other ramblings: currently my votepool probably has ddlc and penguin albeit i'm not voting either rn, i would also like to see a bit of pressure on quojova/kliff to seal a tl or uncover an sl i am curious on your reads so far and would love an elaboration quojova since i'm having some difficulty in seeing who you're voting rn(or want to vote rn), although the votecount showed a vote from you on chaostrodon. quite frankly, reading ps-mafia.proboards.com/user/862/recent does not give me a good outlook on artic. if gary flips green he looks marginally better, but even that isn't particularly convincing because his reasoning for townleaning gary was so weak that it could easily be a scum's "yeah i know he's town i just need to find a reason" |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:34:57 GMT
I think I'll have to reread a bit because quo makes some valid points regarding wagon formation but I feel pretty convinced in my case on Gary sorry for this but can you link the posts where you make that case fully because all I remember is the part about gary faking his indecisiveness if I respond it will probably not be until after I have slept btw |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:38:10 GMT
tbh sometimes very rarely the scumteam is like exactly 3/4 in gary/fort/sky/articu
i seriously doubt it but i'll put in on the checklist of things to look at tomorrow so my paranoia can rest easy
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:38:27 GMT
also adding vert to the list of things to look at tomorrow
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Post by Fort Colorcastle on Jun 11, 2021 6:40:21 GMT
kinda curious since ur pushing for peng vote so like who do u think is peng partner? quojova and @fortcolors and other ppl who r voting/leaning peng but im too lazy to check votes tbh I haven't thought about it very much because unlike with gary I don't see glaringly widespread issues in terms of compatibility but basically the entire pl except gary and probably kliff seems plausible atm although that will probably narrow slightly if I look back a bit more I'm tempted to say fort is less likely but I'm not actually sure about that rn because I think if he's partners with penguin, he's put in a very awkward spot where he feels like he has no choice but to vote penguin rn so I would not discount that you keep talking about scumranges but do you really find it outside of mine to hard bus a lurker scumbuddy? free towncred yay! That being said I would happily switch my vote somewhere else if there were a better, non-gary option to look at. I think penguin is slightly below pure null for me right now, and i don't expect him to go anywhere else for the rest of the game. We can honestly save him for the day before mylo/lylo, if it comes to that. Artic is an interesting option that needs to interact with people today before I'm willing to commit to a proper read on him.
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Post by skyfigueroa on Jun 11, 2021 6:42:02 GMT
regarding the quote itself i'm not sure what your 3 points are pointing out beyond "red flag due to disagreement from tl" iioa, is there a specific read you want me to update on? separate rambling killmeta weirded me out and is making me assume peng to be town? since a null kill target implies scum is fine with the current status quo, and peng was the main potential cw at eod1 from my pov i really don't understand the gary vote and am hoping someone can make another cohesive post about why there are 4 people on them. bit tired right now so i'm going to properly look over each person once i wake up although i dont get quojova's being on peng today(is it still the same reasoning as yday?) peng being on fort is just as confusing to me since the thought progression isn't getting through i have a slight interest in quojova to scumcase fortcolors. i'm not sure why sky is on me but after reading up i'm realizing that i haven't looked at a single notification after seeing that fort is liking all of them oops
best i can do is answer the questions in the first tag now ig A: Responses from someone who's being sred would allow me to determine a stronger read on them rather than being shaky over peng/ddlc at day1 B: i can't remember who was on the wagon at that point what i was more interested in was who else would hop on/dismiss the wagon in its entirety but that became a lot less important once ddlc revealed as town "if that's the case and ur just waiting for scum to offer diversions from the wagon, there have definitely been a number of other wagons that could potentially serve as these diversions. it's mostly u saying the neutral to sl thing that throws me off cuz it sounds like ur already okay with shifting to ddlc but also not none of the wagons at the point had taken plur(as far as i could tell) considering that i assumed scums would just try to avoid drawing further attention but that falls invalid again since ddlc flipped town although i was interested in the eod gary wagon of chaos+verti+ddlc i'll try to keep an eye out on notifs from now gn i just wanna say i'm happy arti came up with this wallpost but it feels like too much observation compared to the amount of analysis. ig there are implications of townleans on gary and penguin, but nothing implying any suspicions besides a light one on gary wagon which should be explained imo. i think they should be first priority to step up once they r free to play again bcuz 1.) they seem to find both of today's main wagons townie and 2.) they have been playing extremely safe thus far. arti its cool to hear what events interested u and what events u dont understand but what conclusions r u getting from these feelings?? thats really what i want to hear |
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:42:26 GMT
@@fortcolors
i hope you are ready for a funny question
hypothetically if you're partners with penguin here and you just read this post:
"what is your ideal path to deal with the presence of penguind in this game? when would you have him hanged if ever?"
what do you do
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Post by quojova on Jun 11, 2021 6:45:11 GMT
tbh I haven't thought about it very much because unlike with gary I don't see glaringly widespread issues in terms of compatibility but basically the entire pl except gary and probably kliff seems plausible atm although that will probably narrow slightly if I look back a bit more I'm tempted to say fort is less likely but I'm not actually sure about that rn because I think if he's partners with penguin, he's put in a very awkward spot where he feels like he has no choice but to vote penguin rn so I would not discount that you keep talking about scumranges but do you really find it outside of mine to hard bus a lurker scumbuddy? free towncred yay! That being said I would happily switch my vote somewhere else if there were a better, non-gary option to look at. I think penguin is slightly below pure null for me right now, and i don't expect him to go anywhere else for the rest of the game. We can honestly save him for the day before mylo/lylo, if it comes to that. Artic is an interesting option that needs to interact with people today before I'm willing to commit to a proper read on him.
it might just be because it's really late and I'm misreading your post but did you misread my post I don't think your partner equity with penguin has significantly dropped |
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