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Post by BoredGames on Nov 2, 2017 18:47:03 GMT
What’s wrong with Seraph knight? Am I misreading the role? vigvig seraph knight is like picking a target to doc, and u only doc them for as long as either you or they are alive It's just a bad doc hence why I am oppose to using it as it takes away any versatility town can have |
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Post by epiccreeper9002 on Nov 2, 2017 19:13:21 GMT
The thing about Seraph Knight is that no one can get killed aside from mafia kills. If you Seraph Knight on a scum, then it’s like you did nothing at all: the scum is unkillable, but there are no nightkills aside from scum in the first place. UNLESS you can’t use any other actions after you Seraph Knight someone, then we should burn the Seraph Knight role in this setup.
There’s a lot of strategy discussion, but I like what (someone, too lazy to check back tho) said about not discussing strategies because mafia will counter them.
UnNo Lynch
Lynch ScorrchingTheaph
Unlynch ScorrchingTheaph
p l u r s h i f t
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Post by epiccreeper9002 on Nov 2, 2017 19:19:02 GMT
Ok I had a read of the last 2 pages How do you plan to go about a circle plan? Just person next to you? Also even though epic creepers nl was really dumb the 3 lynches came really fast. Also, I agree with this post. Oh, and I goofed. There is ONE killing role, Suicide Bomber. |
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Post by Jodie Whittaker on Nov 2, 2017 19:19:58 GMT
Why did you plurshift onto theaph and what makes you read them
Actually I'm gonna check if they lynched you
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Post by Jodie Whittaker on Nov 2, 2017 19:20:34 GMT
Ok I see it as omgus
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Post by Crespo on Nov 2, 2017 19:48:30 GMT
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Nov 2, 2017 20:18:54 GMT
we should discuss strategies
What we SHOUDLNT do is say a strategy, then tell mafia how to counter the strategy. That is just useless
EpicCreeper do you have any reads? Why did you NL in the first place? please be useful
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 2, 2017 22:26:48 GMT
Ok i rlly shouldn't be complaining bc activity in a forum game is great but holy fuck guys thanks for piling onto the reading list, Flush appreciates it a bunch completely no joke this isn't a pain in the ass at all.
Full post tonight.
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Post by bluegummybear on Nov 3, 2017 0:31:33 GMT
What epic did was not that serious and was not deserved of a lynch already, But also i wouldnt support a hider circle because mafia has the option to mislead town unless two people target one person or something. also i was thinking oracle circles if everyone oracles n1 and someone is confirmed(if town) they can out smart and os commute/ hid To avoid being killed at least for night 1. i could be missing something. Thoughts? oh just saw Doctor they could be protected. i can further explain my strat if so
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Post by bluegummybear on Nov 3, 2017 0:33:33 GMT
The thing about Seraph Knight is that no one can get killed aside from mafia kills. If you Seraph Knight on a scum, then it’s like you did nothing at all: the scum is unkillable, but there are no nightkills aside from scum in the first place. UNLESS you can’t use any other actions after you Seraph Knight someone, then we should burn the Seraph Knight role in this setup.
There’s a lot of strategy discussion, but I like what (someone, too lazy to check back tho) said about not discussing strategies because mafia will counter them.
UnNo LynchLynch ScorrchingTheaph
Unlynch ScorrchingTheaphp l u r s h i f t if anything this should be lynch instead of epic being turbo |
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Post by bluegummybear on Nov 3, 2017 0:34:33 GMT
oh wait im Drunk i thought scorch said that Lol
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Post by epiccreeper9002 on Nov 3, 2017 1:08:25 GMT
Let's talk night plan yes? It’s kind of hard to read people in this, given that it’s my first game of forum mafia and some of the players haven’t even spoken yet. But I can say I SR VeteranLycanroc, their second post seemed like too much of a blatantly obvious strategy and something scum trying too hard to be town would say.
Shift onto Scorch reasoning: I know I’m town. I don’t know if Scorch is town. Therefore, shift to Scorch. :/
But more importantly, the question everyone’s been asking: Why did I NL? We’ll find out after this break. This line break.
The NL was mainly meant as a meme. Though I also do like night in this theme. At day it’s vanilla, at night it’s INSANITY. I LIKE INSANITY. Also, about the BW on me: I don’t see a problem with that particular BW. VigVig got on me first for NLing, FTF was second... but Scorch’s lynch seems like a memelynch to me. Though I would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me. |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 3, 2017 2:19:49 GMT
Anyways in terms of night actions, I suggest that we all use some sort of investigative action, with effort being made to not pick similar targets.
Also we can look into circling, I glanced at a couple roles that can let us get a good n1 circle. Telegraphing things to much gives the obvious problem of telling scum exactly where to interfere, and mafia has no incentive to not break the circle, so I'm against this. Then again, I haven't checked to see which roles are in this that aren't in most No Setup games. Now, a circle of Hiders could have some merit. See Farmer's Market for why, since scum wouldn't be able to kill and hide in the same night. Bus Driver and Avoider screw with that a lot, though. I think. I've developed a couple of theories more on how certain actions heavily sway things in the town's favor, however discussing them day 1 makes them null. I do suggest that we stop doing things like the above so scum has a little to work with as possible when it comes to anticipating the town's actions. Man.. wonder how OP this could be if it was OC.. All the way, how much I had waited for this game to start. Alright guys, here's the masterplan. (This is assuming that two people can use the same ability) Not more than a maximum of 3(or 4 if you want, since the scum is 4 in number) should ever be on a wagon.Why? The best investigative role we have on our hand is Tallier. Tallier - Checks the amount of Mafia-aligned players on the last lynchI am assuming this clears why I expect 3/4 people only lynching someone. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that if we get zero scum with like 5 or so lynches on someone, it would more or less be a big win for us. But get this - what if there's one scum in like, six people? And that is why I believe that instead of getting vague results, it would be for our best bet to get go for going with un-vague process. Q: What of the person whom I am telling to become Tallier is scum?A: I quite anticipated this. And this is why, we will have two talliers per night. Yet there, there are odds of both of them being scum, but yet again, the odds of this happening is low. And one more thing, one of the tallier will be one of those who are on the wagon. Q: Roleblocker/Kill?A: Remember that the town consists of nine people, while the scum consists of only three. We have MUCH more actions than what the scum could do. Now for that, Rolestopper and Doctor. I won't lead over the fact that I would rolestop or doctor someone, but I'm just going to post this here so that scum could enjoy WIFOM. Q: Bus Driver/Bunker?A: One advantage of a Tailler is that Tailler does not target anyone specifically. (I could be wrong about this, but logically this is how it should be.) Since this is there, bus driver, bunker and other such roles cause no fault in Tallier's inspect. Q: Lawyer/Framer? A: One thing which will bug us. This is one thing which is going to rise problems for us. There are no full-proof counters for this, only things like roleblockers and such. But yet again, this would mean that scum would have to use one of their action to protect their member, instead of using actions like Vanillaiser and such. Also, there's still chances that different people using the same action would be OP, since multiple scum using Vanillaiser is OP. I have tried to bold stuff for TL;DR. Questions? Post here.
-I do agree that in some instances it would be safe to trust the odds
-You don't need to worry about role stopper, bus driver, bunker, lawyer, framer or doctor thanks to my plan
-We beat vanillaisers with more vanillaisers.
The fool-proof counter would be to have someone use Enabler on Lawyer/Framer and then die. I'm not sure how long Enabler lasts or if Roleblocker can stop Enabler, so that might be a problemo. If Switch unswitches Enabler that would also suck. I am not going to sacrifice someone. Though yes, your post reminds me of the switch we can use. Aaaand it reminds me of the fact that scum could use switch on Tallier. But since we know that, does scum seriously think we will go with the plan? One more thing, one of the players MUST be a switch on Vanilliazer. Vanillia(s/z)er is the biggest threat to us. If we don't switch it, the whole scum group could vanilliase us, basically vanillaising three people per night. And lastly to post something non-NAI, I'm aware of the fact that through a good placement of WIFOM, a player asking people to be a switch on Vanillaizer can be easily interpreted as scum. Feel free to say so, I can't even deny that it is scummy. But y'all know better that someone or the other had ought to mention this.
-Count me in for the suicide bomb strat since this is waaaaay more reading than i expected. Sacrifice n1 has a mild amount of merit
-uhh your last statement has a lot of words but you said it isn't NAi so hey uhhh....town?I do suggest that we stop doing things like the above so scum has a little to work with as possible when it comes to anticipating the town's actions. Kinda downvoting this. As a matter of fact, we know that any plan which is not foolproof / almost foolproof is ought to fail. Your points for not discussing any plans could include the fact that scum would have to figure out the plans and the possibilities of ours, instead of just using the loopholes we figured out in our plan. This reason cannot be simply scraped off and I would have accepted it, but the fact that this underestimates scum simply changes my opinion. Simply the fact that you too, could be scum, and I can for sure say that you would have figured all our plans without us saying anything. Or probably that's how good of a player I view you.Not only this, but I see much more advantages in discussing the plans. Firstly, one could be seen over the fact that I noticed switch, which had totally slipped my mind and that I was reminded of by ScorrchingTheaph, in one way or less, thus discussing the plans can help us come up with a much smarter and better plan. Secondly, discussing with other members can help us discover those who may purposely try to go with the loopholes or try not to gamesolve, the typical way of finding scum, since discussing plans is the best place where we can discover scum. Lastly, the simple fact that I can't think of any strategy which could be played alone here, and that we need to properly utilise all the nine town members, and not just be a freelancer. Also, I'm going to take the bait for the N1 kill probably after writing such long posts. Don't worry, I've got another plan for D2 as a will ready with me. Ok I had a read of the last 2 pages How do you plan to go about a circle plan? Just person next to you? Also even though epic creepers nl was really dumb the 3 lynches came really fast.
-Also
"THESE PEOPLE DID SOMETHING STRANGE THEY MIGHT BE SCUM"
NICE FUCKING READS VET LMAOOOOOOOOO
Anyways in terms of night actions, I suggest that we all use some sort of investigative action, with effort being made to not pick similar targets.
Also we can look into circling, I glanced at a couple roles that can let us get a good n1 circle. One of the very few big weakness of simple-inspection is Lawyer/Framer. Though yes, we have our switch, and the big advantage of having nine players. I won't outright say 'no other investigation being used pls ty', and instead of give a thumbs up to investigative. I'm aware of the fact that there are a ton of powerful counters to investigative but I can say this one thing for sure - we have far too many investigative roles and town to mafia ratio for the the mafia to predict what investigative role we will actually use. Though I can't say that I will upvote the circle idea. I can't really come up with a good explanation, but I can guess that scum can easily come up with circle counters or that we can't come up with a perfect explanation, but things like bus drivers can just literally disturb the circle. And one more thing. Spotlight on this scum role: Screamer. The best f*cker of all our plans. Screamer - Prevents roles from getting a resultYes. It will just prevent the host from giving any result to our actions. Seriously, this evil thing can literally spoil everything. The second most dangerous role after Vanilliazer. And thus I'm going to further get scumreads by screaming (heh, got the pun?) that we NEED to Switch the Screamer or say bye to all investigative.
-Uhhh we could do varied invest role circles but that's for fucking pussies
-0/10 pun
-Again need not worry about bus drivers I have a plan
Ok I had a read of the last 2 pages How do you plan to go about a circle plan? Just person next to you? Also even though epic creepers nl was really dumb the 3 lynches came really fast. Yeah, you just target the person next to you with whatever action you're gonna use. I also agree with the quick EC bw, will add on later. Don't really have much to say tbh. about 3], although Mafia can target and kill at the same time, they can't hide and kill at the same time, meaning 3] is still a possible plan. I think that a circle plan is most effective in finding scum/using actions imo. Althought EC nling was quite questionable, the BW on him was quite weird; and really quickly too. Imo 2 lynches should have enough, since he could have a good explanation or something of why he NL'd. (but not yet, since he hasn't said anything since) I would like to see why EC explain why he NL'd. I have to brb, will post later if I have anything else to say
-Also:
"THESE PEOPLE DID SOMETHING STRANGE THEY MIGHT BE SCUM"
NICE. REAL NICE. I STRAIGHT FUCKING SAID IT WAS A POLICY. THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT.
I also think that 2 lynches would be the optimal number for Tallier today, instead of 3 or 4 as champ proposed. This way, we either get 2 confirmed town, 2 confirmed mafia, or an easy 50/50. (Later in the game when we have info/reads we can put different people on the wagon)
Having 2 players on the wagon also dissuades scum from lying about an inspect. If a crafty scum boi wants to lie about the tallier inspect and both players on the lynch are town, the scum boi can not lie as it would out themselves and a 1-1 trade is beneficial for town. If both players on the lynch are mafia, scum boi has to bus at least one of them, or risk immediately losing 2 members if one of the players on the lynch is outed. If there is one mafia and one town, the scum boi has a slightly lower risk of losing 2 players if he lies and decides not to bus.
Announcement: My favorite role was added to the rolelist! It is extremely unlikely that I'll be using another role, since this was a role that I wanted in. I would appreciate if someone unblocked me tonight since I have a cunning plan. However, there is a critical drawback with it that will cost me my life.
- Ok the 2 person thing interests me because we also have Compatibility Checker
OK, so reading 3 pages of discussion is fun. 1) The EC policy was a very strange and undeserving thing imo -Yes the nl was questionable but for 3 people to automatically just turbo him... that seems a bit off. But I think we should just class this as a d1 turbo (EC pls tell us ur thought process behind the nl) 2+3) The age old debate on weather to circle or not. Let me address the hider circle first, and i'm gonna have to down vote this. Purely because of switch, because (correct me if i'm wrong) switch on hider + vannilerizer would ruin that plan instantly, along with town as well . Circling in itself isn't a bad idea, it is just that it requires a lot of cooperation to make a circle that cannot be broken by the mafia, which ultimately does ruin circles. 4) Champ's plans with scorching's imput. I want to question something about talliers, is it always the people on the lynch that was successful or do the talliers have to choose the person with lynch votes on. E.g: if let's say 5 people were on player A, and 3 on Player B and 3 on Player C, would talliers just get the result for player A or could they also choose players B and C instead. Because if it does work like that, then surely redirection roles can just redirect it to someone who had no votes on them, making the tallier useless. Yes we have means to stop that, but mafia also have means to stop our counters to the redirection plans (if talliers don't work like in the example then this is just useless ig). Also I am heavily against the use of seraph knight whatsoever, along with any day action roles . Seraph Knight is a garbage role that no town should pick, and all the day actions seem capable to screw over town, so anyone that does use day action roles (along with others we have pointed out) should immediately be scum read imo /me is ready for the whole of my post to be debunked
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
-Nah fam switch and vanillaiser aint doing jack shit to my circle plan trust me
What’s wrong with Seraph knight? Am I misreading the role? tagging me to get me to talk is nice and all but unless there's something you specifically want to ask me, assume I'm at school and that's why I haven't done anything yet. I get the idea and all but it's kind of annoying to get on after a very long day and see someone telling me I should be saying more when I was at school the entire time. Anyways, for now I want to say that I apologize for today as I am exhausted right now, but I will try and say something meaningful and hopefully I'll be able to do more later. So basically the point I want to make is that if we want to do something we can't really tell specific people to do something. The mafia can easily block them or kill them or do some bus driving shenanigans. Whatever plans we make, have to be more like options for people to use during the night, or we need to have so many plans that the mafia can't possibly stop them all. I hope that makes sense and again, I apologize for this. I'll try to rest and hopefully I'll be able to do more later. The thing about Seraph Knight is that no one can get killed aside from mafia kills. If you Seraph Knight on a scum, then it’s like you did nothing at all: the scum is unkillable, but there are no nightkills aside from scum in the first place. UNLESS you can’t use any other actions after you Seraph Knight someone, then we should burn the Seraph Knight role in this setup.
There’s a lot of strategy discussion, but I like what (someone, too lazy to check back tho) said about not discussing strategies because mafia will counter them.
UnNo LynchLynch ScorrchingTheaph
Unlynch ScorrchingTheaphp l u r s h i f t
-NAI self defense plurshift
Ok I had a read of the last 2 pages How do you plan to go about a circle plan? Just person next to you? Also even though epic creepers nl was really dumb the 3 lynches came really fast. Also, I agree with this post. Oh, and I goofed. There is ONE killing role, Suicide Bomber.
With what, the fucking question?Basic Bitchwe should discuss strategies What we SHOUDLNT do is say a strategy, then tell mafia how to counter the strategy. That is just useless EpicCreeper do you have any reads? Why did you NL in the first place? please be useful What epic did was not that serious and was not deserved of a lynch already, But also i wouldnt support a hider circle because mafia has the option to mislead town unless two people target one person or something. also i was thinking oracle circles if everyone oracles n1 and someone is confirmed(if town) they can out smart and os commute/ hid To avoid being killed at least for night 1. i could be missing something. Thoughts? oh just saw Doctor they could be protected. i can further explain my strat if so
-oracle circle sounds fun but nahhhh fam my circle plan is bout to get shit lit
Let's talk night plan yes? It’s kind of hard to read people in this, given that it’s my first game of forum mafia and some of the players haven’t even spoken yet. But I can say I SR VeteranLycanroc, their second post seemed like too much of a blatantly obvious strategy and something scum trying too hard to be town would say.
Shift onto Scorch reasoning: I know I’m town. I don’t know if Scorch is town. Therefore, shift to Scorch. :/
But more importantly, the question everyone’s been asking: Why did I NL? We’ll find out after this break. This line break.
The NL was mainly meant as a meme. Though I also do like night in this theme. At day it’s vanilla, at night it’s INSANITY. I LIKE INSANITY. Also, about the BW on me: I don’t see a problem with that particular BW. VigVig got on me first for NLing, FTF was second... but Scorch’s lynch seems like a memelynch to me. Though I would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me.
-Literally don't pass off the self defense lynch with this bullshit blanket poe bullshit what the fuck
-Yeah just call my policy lynch a "meme". There look now I have a fucking reason woweeeweeewow
-You a bitch
OKAY TO RECAP
FTF is a littttleeeee grumpy rn because I had to read 4 fucking pages that dropped from fucking Asgard between posts and GUESS WHAT
IT'S ALL SHIT
EVERY LAST POST
FUCK ALL OF IT
anyways it looks like y'all have been wasting time discussing the most meaningless bullshit, how scum is gonna predict this or predict that but at this point y'all are just fear mongering and getting nothing done. The closes things to reads are the fucking basic bitches going "LOOK HE LYNCHED HIM QUICKLY WOW HE MIGHT BE SCUM"
BUT I GOT THE ANSWER TO IT ALL
FTF HAS BROKEN THE GAME
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN:
MY CIRCLE PLAN
BUS DRIVER ELLIPTICAL::::::
 OW
AS YOU CAN SEE BY THIS DIAGRAM THAT I SHOULD HAVE LOWERED MY DPI TO DRAW AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SPENT MORE THAN 2 MINUTES DRAWING
The plan is to bus driver in the shape of an ellipse because circles are for squares.
NOW YOU MAY BE ASKING
FTF, what will this braindead plan accomplish
I DONT KNOW, I DONT THINK HOST KNOWS EITHER
WHAT THE FUCK WOULD EVEN HAPPEN
WE'LL FIND OUT
To summarize:
-You all suck
-This game is getting way more effort from people and I was not ready
-I shall suicide bomb on day 3
-FTF plan best plan
-Half of the posts on this thread are unnecessary but I had to fuuuccccking reeeaad them annnnyyyywayyyysss |
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Post by ForgotToFlush on Nov 3, 2017 2:22:10 GMT
/me wonders why Snaq gave me forum hero
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 3, 2017 4:40:24 GMT
Why did you plurshift onto theaph and what makes you read them Actually I'm gonna check if they lynched you I'm not lynching Vet today if only because this is something I'd genuinely consider "too scummy to be scum" and I can't see scum actually using this logic if they're trying to look townish. I still don't like how you went from, "I wonder why you did this" to, "Actually, let me decide why you did this" in such a short timespan. we should discuss strategies What we SHOUDLNT do is say a strategy, then tell mafia how to counter the strategy. That is just useless EpicCreeper do you have any reads? Why did you NL in the first place? please be useful The problem is that most strategies, upon being discussed, inherently tell scum how to counter them, and more likely than not the scumteam is capable of figuring it out if they aren't told directly. Circles, in my opinion, are the only "100% safe" strategy to discuss, but with most actions it's not as viable since this isn't Farmer's Market and for reasons unclear to me people think a Hide circle won't work. Scum can't kill someone to frame if literally all of the town is hiding. What epic did was not that serious and was not deserved of a lynch already, But also i wouldnt support a hider circle because mafia has the option to mislead town unless two people target one person or something. also i was thinking oracle circles if everyone oracles n1 and someone is confirmed(if town) they can out smart and os commute/ hid To avoid being killed at least for night 1. i could be missing something. Thoughts? oh just saw Doctor they could be protected. i can further explain my strat if so See above for my response to the Hider circle comment. The Oracle plan holds merit as well, although I can see ways scum could thwart it (which I'd rather not mention until day 2 on the offchance that scum doesn't actually notice). oh wait im Drunk i thought scorch said that Lol So do you think Epic should be lynched? Let's talk night plan yes? It’s kind of hard to read people in this, given that it’s my first game of forum mafia and some of the players haven’t even spoken yet. But I can say I SR VeteranLycanroc, their second post seemed like too much of a blatantly obvious strategy and something scum trying too hard to be town would say.
Shift onto Scorch reasoning: I know I’m town. I don’t know if Scorch is town. Therefore, shift to Scorch. :/
But more importantly, the question everyone’s been asking: Why did I NL? We’ll find out after this break. This line break.
The NL was mainly meant as a meme. Though I also do like night in this theme. At day it’s vanilla, at night it’s INSANITY. I LIKE INSANITY. Also, about the BW on me: I don’t see a problem with that particular BW. VigVig got on me first for NLing, FTF was second... but Scorch’s lynch seems like a memelynch to me. Though I would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me. I think you're looking into the "Let's talk night plan" comment way too hard. It's at most NAI, since it's the most obvious thing for anyone to say at the beginning of a No Setup game. You shifted off yourself with over a day left in the game? Were you really that paranoid about getting lynched? I'll use a second post to respond to FtF's. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 3, 2017 4:49:02 GMT
Quoteception makes people suffer usually, so let's try out a different response format. ForgotToFlush, make up your mind. You can't shut down people's plans for being "too predictable" and also say you want to "let scum anticipate all they want." Honestly, a large amount of your post seems like pointless memes that no serious response can be given to, leading up to a meme plan. ("Fight Vanillizers with more Vanillizers"?) In other words, I see a lot of filler. I don't see why you townread Champ because Champ themselves said their post was AI. If anything, Champ pointing out "Hey look at this thing that indicates my alignment" makes it a bunch of NAI wifom. Somehow, I didn't notice Aknolan's post until now. I am in agreement with the third section of that post; if we are going to discuss everything we do let's not make it obvious who's doing it. |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 3, 2017 5:08:09 GMT
So, with all of that in mind I'm of the opinion that Scorrching or Epic should be lynched today.
There's a ton of setup talk going on and obviously not everyone restricting themselves to it can be scum, but Scorrching stands out when I ISO his posts, since a lot of them are one-liners that barely even add to the setup talk (and a list of "good actions to use n1" but little on a strategy using them even though he's one of the people advocating for heavy setup discussion). The only "saving grace" (if you could call it that) is his comment on two votes being the ideal number for the tallier.
Meanwhile, I've commented already on the problem with Epic feeling the need to shift off himself so early into the day. The No Lynch is ultimately NAI in my opinion. There are few posts from Epic to look at, and like Scorrching it's a lot of extremely basic setup discussion (it's simple commentary on how things work with no analysis of how they can be used). I also don't like his comment on Scorrching's vote on him and subsequent request of "Though I would very much appreciate it if you all got off of me", which reads as if he's trying to discredit the wagon that formed on him even though said wagon was comprised of random votes. The request in particular is off on a tonal level by a wide margin.
I lost my train of thought and had something else I was going to say, but it didn't affect my reads on either of these two. I'm currently liking Epic less than I am Scorrching.
Unvote Aknolan
Vote Epiccreeper9002
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 3, 2017 5:55:13 GMT
I also think that 2 lynches would be the optimal number for Tallier today, instead of 3 or 4 as champ proposed. This way, we either get 2 confirmed town, 2 confirmed mafia, or an easy 50/50. (Later in the game when we have info/reads we can put different people on the wagon)
Having 2 players on the wagon also dissuades scum from lying about an inspect. If a crafty scum boi wants to lie about the tallier inspect and both players on the lynch are town, the scum boi can not lie as it would out themselves and a 1-1 trade is beneficial for town. If both players on the lynch are mafia, scum boi has to bus at least one of them, or risk immediately losing 2 members if one of the players on the lynch is outed. If there is one mafia and one town, the scum boi has a slightly lower risk of losing 2 players if he lies and decides not to bus.
Announcement: My favorite role was added to the rolelist! It is extremely unlikely that I'll be using another role, since this was a role that I wanted in. I would appreciate if someone unblocked me tonight since I have a cunning plan. However, there is a critical drawback with it that will cost me my life. The very reason why I said 3 or 4 instead of 2 is because we gain more advantage when hunting for town. If we get all three/four of them as town, we get the advantage. Besides, if we were to do two and assuming that both of them were town, scum could easily kill one of them. |
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 3, 2017 5:59:53 GMT
4) Champ's plans with scorching's imput. I want to question something about talliers, is it always the people on the lynch that was successful or do the talliers have to choose the person with lynch votes on. E.g: if let's say 5 people were on player A, and 3 on Player B and 3 on Player C, would talliers just get the result for player A or could they also choose players B and C instead. Because if it does work like that, then surely redirection roles can just redirect it to someone who had no votes on them, making the tallier useless. Yes we have means to stop that, but mafia also have means to stop our counters to the redirection plans (if talliers don't work like in the example then this is just useless ig). To my happiness, you're wrong, probably. Talliers get the no. of scum aligned people on the wagon, i.e., the lynch of the day. Thus, redirectors and others do not affect talliers. Other than that, can we stop this discussion of Seraph Knight? Discussion over Seraph Knight is the lamest thing we could do. Why are we discussing why one must keep protecting only one person instead of being able to change their target? |
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 3, 2017 6:04:08 GMT
tagging me to get me to talk is nice and all but unless there's something you specifically want to ask me, assume I'm at school and that's why I haven't done anything yet. I get the idea and all but it's kind of annoying to get on after a very long day and see someone telling me I should be saying more when I was at school the entire time. So basically the point I want to make is that if we want to do something we can't really tell specific people to do something. The mafia can easily block them or kill them or do some bus driving shenanigans. Whatever plans we make, have to be more like options for people to use during the night, or we need to have so many plans that the mafia can't possibly stop them all. I thought it was over 24 hours since the game started. My bad. But it has been over 24 hours since the game started now. We didn't get anything yet? All the way, I have already explained why discussion is important to town. |
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 3, 2017 6:12:20 GMT
The thing about Seraph Knight is that no one can get killed aside from mafia kills. If you Seraph Knight on a scum, then it’s like you did nothing at all: the scum is unkillable, but there are no nightkills aside from scum in the first place. UNLESS you can’t use any other actions after you Seraph Knight someone, then we should burn the Seraph Knight role in this setup.
There’s a lot of strategy discussion, but I like what (someone, too lazy to check back tho) said about not discussing strategies because mafia will counter them.
UnNo LynchLynch ScorrchingTheaph
Unlynch ScorrchingTheaphp l u r s h i f t Don't get me wrong - I respect you as a person, but you do understand that if there was any vigilante or such, we could have countered it with some better roles? And on a second read, this post seems like from a scum-view, since you're mentioning that Seraph Knight is OP for scum, that it makes them BP. So, 1] What advantage would scum get from being BP? It's a Mafia V/S Town game. 2] You have been telling us that the town should use Seraph Knight instead of Town. And then you pose Seraph Knight a threat to town? Then there's this plurshift. A total hiss. Lynch EpicCreeper9002 |
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 3, 2017 6:21:48 GMT
Remembered what I was going to say, which was a weak theory that at least two of the scum lie within those who have only posted once or twice today, as currently none of the more active players are pinging me.
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Post by Fenrir on Nov 3, 2017 6:23:50 GMT
Also, I believe that's Epic at L-1. Figured I should mention this outright to keep any "But I didn't know!" bits later.
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 3, 2017 6:25:33 GMT
The plan is to bus driver in the shape of an ellipse because circles are for squares.
NOW YOU MAY BE ASKING
FTF, what will this braindead plan accomplish
I DONT KNOW, I DONT THINK HOST KNOWS EITHER
WHAT THE FUCK WOULD EVEN HAPPEN
WE'LL FIND OUT
And then. My friends. Scum switches Bus Drivers.BOOM. You may ask, "Champ1604 your plan talked about Talliers what about that oi?" Well, let me make this clear. Unlike all plans, my plan does not demand anyone to actually use it. My simple request is that we keep around 3 lynches on someone per day. Unlynch EpicCreeper9002(I just noticed I went against my plan, so I did this.) As for other comments on FTF's post, he literally commented "this sucks cuz my plan" on most things, raised my hopes, and then crashed them at once with that plan. So yeah, the total post was a big, big NAI. Sorry. |
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Post by Champ1604 on Nov 3, 2017 6:37:45 GMT
I'm not lynching Vet today if only because this is something I'd genuinely consider "too scummy to be scum" and I can't see scum actually using this logic if they're trying to look townish. I still don't like how you went from, "I wonder why you did this" to, "Actually, let me decide why you did this" in such a short timespan. The problem is that most strategies, upon being discussed, inherently tell scum how to counter them, and more likely than not the scumteam is capable of figuring it out if they aren't told directly. Circles, in my opinion, are the only "100% safe" strategy to discuss, but with most actions it's not as viable since this isn't Farmer's Market and for reasons unclear to me people think a Hide circle won't work. Scum can't kill someone to frame if literally all of the town is hiding. Believe me Fenrir, "too scummy to be scum" only comes with regrets. Scum will use bad logic to lynch people all because they want to not gamesolve for town so that town is unable to come up with proper discussion to lynch them. Upvotes to the fact that VeteranBrionne's play isn't something that shines bright. See, I have already said so many times that discussing how scum could counter them is mostly important, simply because of the fact that we will be underestimating scum if we think that they cannot come up with counters and we can. Other than that, circles are no where safe because of Bus Drivers, Screamers and such, and switching them all off will be a big pain. One more important mention is that you're demanding reasons as for why circles are unsafe, while also being a supporter of the fact that we mustn't discuss counters for strategies. Contradicting in one post? |
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