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Post by litteleven on Aug 2, 2020 7:25:06 GMT
Quick thoughts on game so far:
1. Surv claim is def genuine since you have no reason to claim it with only minor pressure on you on day 1. They're not the lynch since they're a net positive in being able to die and block a sure town kill if it happens, though I doubt it's made as a help to their win condition.
2. Cult-Rod wincon is sketchy at best since you have no reason to play towards it as town, since if you get killed at any point you lose your ability to win when it happens. Therefore it's in Town's overall best interests to lynch scum regardless of whether it's mafia or third party.
3. I'm leaning both GTS and Scept as Town due to their interaction, both sides seem completely natural in terms of pure defense. I agree that Gary's initial statement was super sketch and that was picked up well, but reading their response makes me think it's just a mistaken case rather than being a slip. I'd even argue their 'slip' would mean they were town if you take that into consideration.
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Post by VigilanteVigoroth on Aug 2, 2020 8:21:51 GMT
why are people on quojova
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Post by Schrodinger on Aug 2, 2020 8:37:39 GMT
im busy today, catch y'all 9hrs before dl
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 2, 2020 11:26:30 GMT
Good morning, all I have to ask is for eblurb, xan and scept, why y'all still on me? I've explained what happened and I've even given some reads out, and if you're solely gonna sr me because I wasn'r aware of how many tourists were in the game that's insufficient. If you have another reason, we'll see what's up.
On a lighter note, gonna point out my original read on tb2 was that he was foggy (was unstated) considering his first few lines just seemed to be stating what was there, and making "easy" reads just to target someone who wasn't the most necessarily townie, for example myself or Cayden (completely unsure on this spot btw) just for what we said (i.e my tourist mess up, and his random lines unto a lynch on vet). However, since tb2 has actively been attempting to find scum, so I doubt he's part of a team given his sole efforts and the number of players he's been looking into. So potential solo or town for tb2.
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Post by chad on Aug 2, 2020 13:48:42 GMT
1. What was wrong with a basely rvs vote? 2. Cult Rod dieing on d1 serves 0 purpose ultimately we should be looking to kill a mafia here to make sure kills are still maximized which is much much more likelier to deal with any other shit. I also have no idea how goos work. 3. I mean is ayia wrong? I don't flip town here so my lynch in a way is better than killing town or mislynching town I should say. 4. Since when are fillers a scum claim? 5. This just feels like bragging rights, idk why its there. 6. Rest of the day? Its been like 20 hours chill. 1 3 4 5 6 feel forced. Oh cool, it’s a worse version of what toiletbro did, the rebuttals are weaker, and it’s obvious you didn’t read what I just posted. 1- Nothing really, it’s just weird it’s Gary of all people, which seems like a lazy default. 2- Read what i said to toiletbro 3- They changed randomly from what seemed to be a stance towards you (by saying that your claimed seem legitimate, where they had nothing else to add) to where they just randomly added that you would make a good lynch, without putting in the effort to actually push you or do anything about it. 4- since when are fillers a scum claim? Huh, are you asking what’s scummy about filler? It just didn’t seem necessary and seemed out of place with their other lines. 5-I said why it’s there, because they kept bringing up the point and asking others to comment on it, without commenting on it themselves. They are asking others to give thoughts, but aren’t giving their own, making them in the middle of each stance, making it seem like they are a solo role, trying to avoid provoking town or mafia ( they are probably a sk) 6- the rest of their iso* this was a weak point anyways from me, but you didn’t try to actually counter it. now I said it to toilet , and I don’t feel like repeating myself. But ultimately you had no reason to really post this, especially since your points were all very weak ones that don’t even scratch the surface, of what was ( admittedly my fault) a weak post of me trying to get my sr of Ayia out there. They were lazy one liners that didn’t go into in depth of any of it. So what did I reply to then? I am confused? 1. It's an rvs vote and your argueing it seems lazy? What am I even reading? 3. Survivor lynch is always better than killing a person that could possibly flip town, am I wrong? 5. I do that alot as town so doesnt really mean much to me. 6. Your entire post was quite weak so I am fine with that. |
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Post by chad on Aug 2, 2020 13:49:25 GMT
Fucked up thgis quote ...Anyways There is no such thing as a town slip, people tend to say things without thinking for the most part not reading the OP or refusal to read the OP and stating obvious dumb tell is not a town only move, I don't think its exactly scummy either because how often do you ever see forced dumb tells, because I've never seen any. He def isn't confirmed scum though, so idk what tb2 is on about. am I reading this right? tb2 says nowhere in this post that gary is confscum I read the Therefore he is scum, as him saying he is confirmed scum. |
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Post by chad on Aug 2, 2020 13:52:30 GMT
I just find the people still voting gary sketchy after he explained the situation.
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 14:00:27 GMT
am I reading this right? tb2 says nowhere in this post that gary is confscum I read the Therefore he is scum, as him saying he is confirmed scum. That part is in quotes, and it comes from the perspective of a hypothetical gary voter trying to justify why gary is scum. He goes on to say that argument is weak. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 14:09:29 GMT
k im actually here now.
Some words before I do my actual read, as much as I dislike survivor as a role for being able to claim and win d1 without people intentionally going out of their way to deny them while adding nothing of value to the game, there's no point to discuss it any further. I'm going to treat the survivor slot as non-existent.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 14:16:15 GMT
Oh cool, it’s a worse version of what toiletbro did, the rebuttals are weaker, and it’s obvious you didn’t read what I just posted. 1- Nothing really, it’s just weird it’s Gary of all people, which seems like a lazy default. 2- Read what i said to toiletbro 3- They changed randomly from what seemed to be a stance towards you (by saying that your claimed seem legitimate, where they had nothing else to add) to where they just randomly added that you would make a good lynch, without putting in the effort to actually push you or do anything about it. 4- since when are fillers a scum claim? Huh, are you asking what’s scummy about filler? It just didn’t seem necessary and seemed out of place with their other lines. 5-I said why it’s there, because they kept bringing up the point and asking others to comment on it, without commenting on it themselves. They are asking others to give thoughts, but aren’t giving their own, making them in the middle of each stance, making it seem like they are a solo role, trying to avoid provoking town or mafia ( they are probably a sk) 6- the rest of their iso* this was a weak point anyways from me, but you didn’t try to actually counter it. now I said it to toilet , and I don’t feel like repeating myself. But ultimately you had no reason to really post this, especially since your points were all very weak ones that don’t even scratch the surface, of what was ( admittedly my fault) a weak post of me trying to get my sr of Ayia out there. They were lazy one liners that didn’t go into in depth of any of it. So what did I reply to then? I am confused? 1. It's an rvs vote and your argueing it seems lazy? What am I even reading? 3. Survivor lynch is always better than killing a person that could possibly flip town, am I wrong? 5. I do that alot as town so doesnt really mean much to me. 6. Your entire post was quite weak so I am fine with that. Oh cool even shitter points, if you want to defend Ayia defend Ayia. 1- I don’t know what I was aiming for here. 3- That’s actively not what I means.They stated that you would make an ideal lynch, but they didn’t push that stance at all, instead they did what opted to seem like hoping others would lynch you instead. (Also I do think a tourist lynch is better, for the reason that you are a bodyguard, and you seem to be following town wincon) 5- Cool, that’s like the worst degree of Pmeta. Since it probably doesn’t apply to everybody, in general what they did is imply pushes and take mostly neutral stances themselves. Without actively trying to provoke or take the effort to push. And it just seems extra off to me 6- I don’t think it’s weak, I think that you are choosing not to read what I actually mean by some of the points, and instead using the weirdest form of bizzaro logic to counter this. 7- Read what I said to toiletbro, his response was at least somewhat coherent, and every main flaw of my post was brought up there. And then read what I said at the end addressing him as well. I’d very much like to not spend the rest of my day doing this. |
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Post by kliff on Aug 2, 2020 14:18:55 GMT
why are people on quojova Lynch Veteran Padgett
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Post by Gary The Savage on Aug 2, 2020 14:19:08 GMT
If you'd still like to claim that I'm scum, I just want better justification as to why than only what happened previously. Mostly want to hear from blurb as to why they got on, especially after the whole situation was explained |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 14:20:45 GMT
If you'd still like to claim that I'm scum, I just want better justification as to why than only what happened previously. Mostly want to hear from blurb as to why they got on, especially after the whole situation was explained What I mainly see here, is your weird tourist thing when you knew a pgo existed and your weird reactions and stuff I can’t really explain more since I haven’t really been following you or anyone that’s been scumreading you. |
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Post by quojova on Aug 2, 2020 14:34:46 GMT
I'm not voting cayden for their vote. I'm voting cayden for obvious active lurking. I don't think this is a very strong response. I pushed on you in my previous post for doing little real work, and often choosing to go after the least important of topics when you did post. I think you have done both of those things here. Why exactly you pushed on cayden is not anywhere near the primary focus of my post, and while it's good that you have clarified your position on him, frankly I think you are more guilty of "active lurking" than cayden himself, as it is clear that you have actually kept up to date with the thread. ' What do you think about the most active players in the game right now? Which of them are likely scum and which of them are likely town and why? |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 14:47:22 GMT
Lynch micromorphic a policy whilst I make actual reads  omgus isn’t anti town omgus isn’t anti town omgussing for the sake of omgus is, and regardless it's you who's anti-town Absolutely irrelevant rn now that we're out of RVS, but I'm going very, very quickly point out that this statement is objectively wrong. 1. How does claiming > getting lynched/nk? Town wants to lynch actual scum and Scum want to kill actual useful town. 2. Even if there is no reason to claim, you just defeated your own point, why would we lynch them. 3. TB2 is stupid 1.keyword:"risk" surv is not aligned with town, nor with mafia. town can lynch this slot earlier on it's an anti town player out, I retract my nk point tho. 2.now that I think about it the cult has added another dimension to the game where we want to be town and antitown at the same time. im not a fan of this because now I'll have to think. surv is not really antitown as most of the town or all of the town will become cult along with sk and the surv so those are not really antitown, so fair point. 3. [insert chad we know meme] Mainly want to address the cultrod point, the whole discussion topic regarding wincon plays is quite complex here and from what I've seen of countdown, it doesn't really matter until after n1 when people actually start looking at motives. okay ayia once again. I misread, it's fine. Second, there's not two r's in Gary. Third, I've been reading what was said, and have since made the tr on Veteran Padgett. However I want to make something clear as it appears something was misunderstood. When I quoted Vet saying that they understood what was happening it just happened to have their lynch as well. Nowhere did I say I agreed with I lynch. And frankly, I don't. None of the wagons atm really seem to have any rhyme or reason. Regarding my "townslip". "townslips" aren't real. I'm telling this to you as town, in case scum does attempt to do something. Also not sure how I'm buddying Vet when once again, all I did was call them a tr for not taking advantadge of the the clear growing wagon on me, I didn't say OH YEAH XINC IS SCUM because they said so. Nor do I necessarily believe Xinc is scum. I'm not calling Xinc town either. Just because I call someone a tr, that doesn't immeadiatley mean "Gary's buddying them, he's scum." unless that if you can tr someone that makes you scum. I wouldn't agree that it was "buddying" per se. I do however, agree that "TR for not taking advantage of me", is a godawful line of reasoning. Judge people by their actions, not the lack thereof. I guess by now I should ask, for what reason are you tunneling me? Like I've literally breathed and you're going off on me Is it because you're extra sus after last game because that's really what it feels like Sorry, sometimes I forget to explain a sr when I have one. Since it’s something that hard to explain ngl. I’ll go through it though 1-Your opening seemed off. You started with just baseless things like ‘let’s lynch gary’ which seems more of a default than anything else. And you saying ‘I don’t think scum would fake claim that’ doesn’t seem like something that anyone would need to say, even if it is in response to someone else. Especially when you don’t do anything else but say ‘I don’t think scum would do X’ 2- Right after that you lynched Sceptorus for the reason being ‘you want cultrod to survive’ it reeks of another forced lynch. 3-You change your mind on chad saying that they are a neutral lynch and subtly try and push the idea of it, saying it still counts as a scum lynch. 4-Then you just had some filler for a bit that just seems like something to go more posts out there 5-You then quote the whole Gary mess and just put out there that Gary noticed pgo but not tourists. Which seems needlessly redundant when I had already mentioned it beforehand, and you put it out there without adding your own thoughts, leaving you completly neutral on it. So you don’t have to take a side, and you bring it up twice. 6- And the rest of your day was just asking, mostly meaningless, questions. overall you seem to just be giving lackluster posts that don’t provoke anything and you call people out without pushing it. Which is way to passive. I read you very much as Cult or Serial Killer, for this reasoning. This post has already been ripped into by everyone else so I'd just like to make a quick point here I don't see anyone else pointing out: Why read them third party rather than main scumfaction? The second half of that post is me advocating for gary's miscount being nai, but it's pretty poorly written so I can get where the confusion comes from. I like scept's push because gary's miscount is honestly pretty bizarre on some level, and to me his post reads as trying to figure out what happened there and not a hard-committed until-EoD push, although you might disagree. For that to happen Gary would have had to be okay with claiming his special named townie role, while being aware that his knowledge of the role list was incomplete, this early into d1. Ultimately as of now I think it's pretty nai but it seemed worth investigating for a bit, maybe that comes from miscommunication in mafia chat or something else scum related? I don't believe that to be likely but I think exploring the possibility was a good thing for town. I'm starting to extrapolate a bit so I'd like to hear what scept has to say now about a gary push. You call it NAI, but proceed to give reasons it might be scummy. This is equivalent to poking around in the dark on the off chance that there might be a light switch. True, it might yield something, but it's nonsensical and somewhat contradictory. I also can't really follow the logic here. Is this a tr on scept or an sr on gary?
Garry's Townslip
Well I would like to say there no way Garry could be a scum with teammates otherwise this display would of probably never happen. It really seems like an town slip. But there always a possibility. If that was a intended fake town slip, then that just very dishonorable play/tactic. This is Mafia; the name says it all. Dishonourable plays are encouraged if it furthers your own goals. On a side note, aside from this I am liking Kliff atm their reads are well made and seem not fake (and so genuine). it literally cannot be a townslip they pretend to have different amounts of info in 2 consecutive post It isn't a townslip because the claim of misreading the setup does not confirm gary to be town. You can misread the setup the way he did as scum. Moving on, it's all very well to think: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of town having any reason to do. Therefore, he is scum.' However, it is also possible to think the following: 'What? Gary did something I can't conceive of scum having any reason to do. Therefore, he is town.' This is not intended to be a jab, just to show explicitly how this is entirely NAI. No, it was not a townslip, nor a fake townslip. Gary must have known this post would come under a lot of scrutiny if he did it on purpose, and putting yourself in the limelight and making yourself an easy push does not an intentional play make. You're all right in that it's bizarre and nonsensical, and that's because it is precisely that: nonsensical. It does not make sense, other than as an accident, by town or otherwise. Let's be real here, we've all played on PS and we're not above scummy tactics or ahem, "dishonourable tactics". I've been advocating against qh baiting for years, fake townslips are the least of the dishonest shit we do. Viewing it as a townslip is a product of shallow thinking. And the same applies to TB2. Kliff's reads aren't much wellmade than most of the rest of the stuff that's been flying around. This very post itself where he views it as a townslip fully entertaining the notion of dishonor is telling. He wants to see Gary as town through it, but not commit to it. I'll shelf what this means for later, but keep in mind that kliff isn't any stranger to the lows people will go in this game. You're lured in by his powerful presentation, and this juncture is where I would like to make a statement that many people here seem to need that effort does not equate to town. Don't be one of those who make lazy and misguided reads on the grounds of effort. We stan people who keep the phrase #NoOneAskedYou, alive. This very much wasn’t directed towards you, or for you. But if you want to defend someone and pull apart my post, please do. I’ll keep this short, since I don’t really intend to argue with you about this for long. Redpoint 2: The thing about the surv, I mean them saying “scum does not fake claim survivor” to when scept says “I dont see why survivor would claim day 1” and the point was that they said that without any backup or evidence. Saying “scum doesn’t do that” won’t change anyone’s mind, and it seemed way too unnecessary (kind of like the rebuttal you made, to something that no one asked you to be involved in) Red point 3: I never said wanting to win is forced. I said lynching someone for the sole reason that they tried to out cultrod, because they want cultrod to survive, seems forced. Red point 4: The quote in question: thought: lynching Chad is a neutral lynch that counts as a scumlynch and prevents us from getting endgamed needlessly- It was out of the blue and sort of random. They paint the lynch as a good option, but do nothing further to comment on it. Red point 5: Ayia said “Cayden is a king” and “Peryiat” which seem sort of weird / random, and don’t really add/do anything. Red point 6: I can’t remember where I was going with this point if I’m being honest. overall: All it is is a bunch of counter points, with no conclusion to them here. I know you do it a lot, but honestly it ruins the whole point, it wasn’t for you to counter. The point of that wasn’t responding to anything you said. I wanted Ayia to rebuttal that, and instead you did all the leg work for them, making it so if they are scum, they get away easier here. If you defend everyone for them, then scum can’t get pressured. If someone other than the person you were questioning can answer your questions, it means your questions weren't going anywhere to begin with. You wanna tell us who these scum are Sure. I am not a fan of vigvig lynching me and not reacting to my omgus, nor paying any attention to this game. I am not a fan of Gary The Savage just defending himself while not making any scumreads. Yes, you made a mistake and didn’t read the rolelist. Nobody fucking cares stop defending yourself and play the game! Anyone else who isn’t participating in the game so far is also scum because it’s been nearly s full day since the game has started and all they’ve done is rvsed. Clearly everybody "fucking cares" because you guys churned out two whole pages of that shit over it. And to reiterate a point from above, effort does not equate to town. In a similar vein, lack of effort does not equate to scum. We've played on PS enough to have dealt with the sheep town lurkers who serve no purpose except add an extra vote to the leading wagon. If anything, this post adds zero content to the game. And unlike the other content-less posts this game has had, this post comes dangerously close to looking meaningful, so I'm going to have to doubt the purity of your intention here. So what did I reply to then? I am confused? 1. It's an rvs vote and your argueing it seems lazy? What am I even reading? 3. Survivor lynch is always better than killing a person that could possibly flip town, am I wrong? 5. I do that alot as town so doesnt really mean much to me. 6. Your entire post was quite weak so I am fine with that. Oh cool even shitter points, if you want to defend Ayia defend Ayia. 1- I don’t know what I was aiming for here. 3- That’s actively not what I means.They stated that you would make an ideal lynch, but they didn’t push that stance at all, instead they did what opted to seem like hoping others would lynch you instead. (Also I do think a tourist lynch is better, for the reason that you are a bodyguard, and you seem to be following town wincon) 5- Cool, that’s like the worst degree of Pmeta. Since it probably doesn’t apply to everybody, in general what they did is imply pushes and take mostly neutral stances themselves. Without actively trying to provoke or take the effort to push. And it just seems extra off to me 6- I don’t think it’s weak, I think that you are choosing not to read what I actually mean by some of the points, and instead using the weirdest form of bizzaro logic to counter this. 7- Read what I said to toiletbro, his response was at least somewhat coherent, and every main flaw of my post was brought up there. And then read what I said at the end addressing him as well. I’d very much like to not spend the rest of my day doing this. So, what is Ayia's playermeta? Now that you're done arguing what is not, I would like to hear what is. why are people on quojova Lynch Veteran Padgett
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Vote VigilanteVigorothTB2: "Kliff's reads are very well formed!" Kliff 2 seconds later: "Scum would say this!" Mind laying out your train of thought here, please? If you'd still like to claim that I'm scum, I just want better justification as to why than only what happened previously. Mostly want to hear from blurb as to why they got on, especially after the whole situation was explained Hasn't eblurb already given his reason as prodging lol. |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 14:49:02 GMT
There's my catchup, now if anyone's online that would be great because active interaction is probably a hella more fun than slogging through the 70% filler posts that occupy these past 5 pages like junk in the pacific ocean
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 14:53:05 GMT
If you'd still like to claim that I'm scum, I just want better justification as to why than only what happened previously. Mostly want to hear from blurb as to why they got on, especially after the whole situation was explained What I mainly see here, is your weird tourist thing when you knew a pgo existed and your weird reactions and stuff I can’t really explain more since I haven’t really been following you or anyone that’s been scumreading you. Do you scumread Gary? Also completely unrelated, Vote PassTheSalt |
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Post by xinc on Aug 2, 2020 14:54:20 GMT
Hey folks!
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 14:57:28 GMT
I’m not gonna quote the whole thing, but I’ll respond to the stuff here.
#1- I see Ayia as solo, because of their very neutral stance and that they aren’t really trying to push or do anything, yet are trying to post vague and helpful things for town. It seems something solo would do, to avoid attention from everyone and anyone while still being somewhat townread. I feel like it’s less of a tactic for mafia, especially a PGO, though I could also see maybe a strongman using this tactic to stay alive long enough to kill the black goo.
2-That wasn’t the point of that response. I said that Ayias pmeta wasn’t gonna be just like chads. Since he used a rebuttal with the point that ‘that’s my pmeta as town, so it’s null and void in proving ayia is scum’ because the inherent idea of what I said there, is an anti town behavior most of the time. And I can’t use much pmeta for ayia, I can use what I see, which is extreme passiveness and not much meat in the discussion.
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 14:58:49 GMT
What I mainly see here, is your weird tourist thing when you knew a pgo existed and your weird reactions and stuff I can’t really explain more since I haven’t really been following you or anyone that’s been scumreading you. Do you scumread Gary? Also completely unrelated, Vote PassTheSaltI haven’t read enough to scumresd Gary, I was responding to what it seemed like why others might have scum read him. I think what he did was so mind crippling stupid, that scum wouldn’t do it, as it draws too much attention to themselves |
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Post by Bomb Moss on Aug 2, 2020 15:02:33 GMT
Hi I’m not gonna quote the whole thing, but I’ll respond to the stuff here. #1- I see Ayia as solo, because of their very neutral stance and that they aren’t really trying to push or do anything, yet are trying to post vague and helpful things for town. It seems something solo would do, to avoid attention from everyone and anyone while still being somewhat townread. I feel like it’s less of a tactic for mafia, especially a PGO, though I could also see maybe a strongman using this tactic to stay alive long enough to kill the black goo. 2-That wasn’t the point of that response. I said that Ayias pmeta wasn’t gonna be just like chads. Since he used a rebuttal with the point that ‘that’s my pmeta as town, so it’s null and void in proving ayia is scum’ because the inherent idea of what I said there, is an anti town behavior most of the time. And I can’t use much pmeta for ayia, I can use what I see, which is extreme passiveness and not much meat in the discussion. 1. Again, why do you read him solo > faction? "Seems like something solo would do", "feel like it isn't a tactic for mafia", this means nothing to me. I can't look into your head. Give me something more concrete to work with here. 2. Since playermeta isn't the argument, then what is? Follows up from the previous point, give me something to work with here, why is passiveness solo-indicative? Do you scumread Gary? Also completely unrelated, Vote PassTheSaltI haven’t read enough to scumresd Gary, I was responding to what it seemed like why others might have scum read him. I think what he did was so mind crippling stupid, that scum wouldn’t do it, as it draws too much attention to themselves You... were the very same person who got upset at TB2 and Chad for defending Ayia for him instead of Ayia responding himself, weren't you? |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 15:18:06 GMT
Hi I’m not gonna quote the whole thing, but I’ll respond to the stuff here. #1- I see Ayia as solo, because of their very neutral stance and that they aren’t really trying to push or do anything, yet are trying to post vague and helpful things for town. It seems something solo would do, to avoid attention from everyone and anyone while still being somewhat townread. I feel like it’s less of a tactic for mafia, especially a PGO, though I could also see maybe a strongman using this tactic to stay alive long enough to kill the black goo. 2-That wasn’t the point of that response. I said that Ayias pmeta wasn’t gonna be just like chads. Since he used a rebuttal with the point that ‘that’s my pmeta as town, so it’s null and void in proving ayia is scum’ because the inherent idea of what I said there, is an anti town behavior most of the time. And I can’t use much pmeta for ayia, I can use what I see, which is extreme passiveness and not much meat in the discussion. 1. Again, why do you read him solo > faction? "Seems like something solo would do", "feel like it isn't a tactic for mafia", this means nothing to me. I can't look into your head. Give me something more concrete to work with here. 2. Since playermeta isn't the argument, then what is? Follows up from the previous point, give me something to work with here, why is passiveness solo-indicative? I haven’t read enough to scumresd Gary, I was responding to what it seemed like why others might have scum read him. I think what he did was so mind crippling stupid, that scum wouldn’t do it, as it draws too much attention to themselves You... were the very same person who got upset at TB2 and Chad for defending Ayia for him instead of Ayia responding himself, weren't you? I’ll deal with the TB2 chad thing first, Yes I get it’s hypocritical, I’m hypocritical a lot ngl. Mainly I saw me responding to Gary, less of a defense of anything, but something to create discussion and inform him. Which I guess they might have been doing as well. 1- In the sense, Ayia constantly has been picking up small bits and weighing in on each discussion mildly, never taking one full side or choosing to be apart of an actual debate/ sr on someone. And I guess it seems like that a solo role, is likely to blend in and not provoke one side wether it be mafia or town, since they are the only person in their faction. While I can see mafia being more aggressive as if they take down a serial killer, it’s not like there’s another to kill them for it. (Basically what I’m saying is, Ayia hasn’t been aggressively trying to hunt anyone, or state a full sr on someone, which is weirdly passive, and something a serial killer might do, since if they do scumread mafia, they could get fearkilled by another remaining member) 2- Passiveness isn’t in itself bad, but combined with being passive and being neutral in almost every topic, while encouraging the idea of a lynch without pushing it. Is something that doesn’t make since for town to do, when towns main goal is to find a scumread and to take sides and to provoke people. That’s why the posts by you chad and toilet, work since they were specifically there to counter me and oppose the points in it. But that’s why they annoyed me, because I didn’t need any 3 of you guys to justify that you had opinions and were ready to oppose / counter me, I wanted Ayia to justify that. |
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Post by kliff on Aug 2, 2020 15:26:37 GMT
would like to make a statement that many people here seem to need that effort does not equate to town. Don't be one of those who make lazy and misguided reads on the grounds of effort. TB2: "Kliff's reads are very well formed!"Kliff 2 seconds later: "Scum would say this!" Mind laying out your train of thought here, please?
I agree, Not saying hes town from it. Nor im saying its some strong reasoning. Worry not my friend, I wont be lazy with my reads
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Post by kliff on Aug 2, 2020 16:19:57 GMT
Hi 1. Again, why do you read him solo > faction? "Seems like something solo would do", "feel like it isn't a tactic for mafia", this means nothing to me. I can't look into your head. Give me something more concrete to work with here. 2. Since playermeta isn't the argument, then what is? Follows up from the previous point, give me something to work with here, why is passiveness solo-indicative? You... were the very same person who got upset at TB2 and Chad for defending Ayia for him instead of Ayia responding himself, weren't you? I’ll deal with the TB2 chad thing first, Yes I get it’s hypocritical, I’m hypocritical a lot ngl. Mainly I saw me responding to Gary, less of a defense of anything, but something to create discussion and inform him. Which I guess they might have been doing as well. 1- In the sense, Ayia constantly has been picking up small bits and weighing in on each discussion mildly, never taking one full side or choosing to be apart of an actual debate/ sr on someone. And I guess it seems like that a solo role, is likely to blend in and not provoke one side wether it be mafia or town, since they are the only person in their faction. While I can see mafia being more aggressive as if they take down a serial killer, it’s not like there’s another to kill them for it. (Basically what I’m saying is, Ayia hasn’t been aggressively trying to hunt anyone, or state a full sr on someone, which is weirdly passive, and something a serial killer might do, since if they do scumread mafia, they could get fearkilled by another remaining member) 2- Passiveness isn’t in itself bad, but combined with being passive and being neutral in almost every topic, while encouraging the idea of a lynch without pushing it. Is something that doesn’t make since for town to do, when towns main goal is to find a scumread and to take sides and to provoke people. That’s why the posts by you chad and toilet, work since they were specifically there to counter me and oppose the points in it. But that’s why they annoyed me, because I didn’t need any 3 of you guys to justify that you had opinions and were ready to oppose / counter me, I wanted Ayia to justify that.
I wont defend him because I also think hes a little suspicious, but those are quite some claims you got there. |
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Post by passthesaltdude on Aug 2, 2020 16:27:40 GMT
I’ll deal with the TB2 chad thing first, Yes I get it’s hypocritical, I’m hypocritical a lot ngl. Mainly I saw me responding to Gary, less of a defense of anything, but something to create discussion and inform him. Which I guess they might have been doing as well. 1- In the sense, Ayia constantly has been picking up small bits and weighing in on each discussion mildly, never taking one full side or choosing to be apart of an actual debate/ sr on someone. And I guess it seems like that a solo role, is likely to blend in and not provoke one side wether it be mafia or town, since they are the only person in their faction. While I can see mafia being more aggressive as if they take down a serial killer, it’s not like there’s another to kill them for it. (Basically what I’m saying is, Ayia hasn’t been aggressively trying to hunt anyone, or state a full sr on someone, which is weirdly passive, and something a serial killer might do, since if they do scumread mafia, they could get fearkilled by another remaining member) 2- Passiveness isn’t in itself bad, but combined with being passive and being neutral in almost every topic, while encouraging the idea of a lynch without pushing it. Is something that doesn’t make since for town to do, when towns main goal is to find a scumread and to take sides and to provoke people. That’s why the posts by you chad and toilet, work since they were specifically there to counter me and oppose the points in it. But that’s why they annoyed me, because I didn’t need any 3 of you guys to justify that you had opinions and were ready to oppose / counter me, I wanted Ayia to justify that.
I wont defend him because I also think hes a little suspicious, but those are quite some claims you got there.That’s fine, I can see how my wording has been off on some of these. And how I reached a little to prove some points. But all that debunking aside, the point stands that Ayia seems off to me, and until I get a response from them, I’ll stand by that point. |
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